Transcript: Sunlight and Mitochondrial Health — Andreas David Christou #007

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The definition of life and death is the difference between your mitochondria working and not working.

So it's like literally that simple.

For our detoxification pathways to be functioning optimally, our body needs to understand that it's in a a safe environment where it can be relaxed enough to do that.

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Stop intoxicating your lymphatic system, but then learn how to move it.

So the more you move it, the more it's able to scan your body and you can keep your immune system in check.

Flatline we all associate with death, but then we we seek a flatline in temperature, we seek a flatline in light exposure, we seek a flatline in everything that we're doing.

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And it's like, it's so obvious that that's the way of death.

Hard exercise shifts your body more into sympathetic dominance.

Exercise is nice.

Movement is a biological necessity.

My guest today is Andreas Christu, who lives in Cyprus and is the host of the Fitness Wisdom Podcast.

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I just recently got to be a guest on your show.

Andreas, thank you so much for coming on to my show today.

Thank you so much for having me, Daniel.

It was an absolute honor and pleasure to have you on the Fitness Wisdom Podcast.

We had a great conversation.

I'm really looking forward to educating and empowering your audience today on all things mobility and fitness.

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Oh, that's fantastic, man.

I want to start off by just could you say a few words about where you live?

It's such a unique spot when I look at it geographically on a map.

And I'm also wondering like, you know, not to be crude here, but do you see fireworks from Gaza from there?

I mean, you're so close to the Levant.

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That's very true.

Well, it's a beautiful location here where I live, you know, it's the half of Cyprus.

The northern part of Cyprus is taken by Turkey and it's like the Cypriot side on the other side.

I live on the southern side of Cyprus where they speak Greek.

They speak Turkish and Greek on the other side.

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But no, from where we are, I don't see any kind of, you know, explosions or anything like this.

Thankfully we did have two attacks at the beginning when this the war kind of started, you know, from Iran.

They, they send some drones to a military base and auk military base here in Cyprus.

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I I feel like it was strategic towards the UK military base for some reason.

Well, I don't know why, but you, you probably know, you know the details, you know, 'cause you're a bit more down these, these rabbit holes with the, you know, the politics and the, and the war and stuff like that.

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But yeah, I don't think Cyprus is so involved with this.

And thankfully, you know, since those two drones, it's not been such a big deal.

But otherwise, it's a beautiful place to live.

I, I feel like there's a lot of programming and fear being induced on the masses to not come to Cyprus for some reason.

2:41

I feel like it's a form of human trafficking in a way that, you know, manipulating where people are living on the planet.

So, you know, determining whether they go on holiday, for example, You'll see articles online, for example, that say UK versus Cyprus, where should you go on holiday?

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I'm like, well, obviously, obviously Cyprus, right?

But but there is a reason why they want people from the UK to migrate.

I feel like back to the UKI know that this is kind of like not part of our discussion at all, but I just feel like it's because they want the wealthy who have left the UK and they want to avoid paying all of the taxes and all the stuff.

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They want them to go back into the country.

That's just my speculation.

Because I mean, otherwise I'm assuming, you know, I maybe this has to do with like my Sicilian blood, but it just kind of looks like you're in like a perfect environment.

You know, the Mediterranean, they're surrounded by the sea, you know, for living the lifestyle that we're talking about, it seems, you know, I love where I live in Maine.

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It's hard for six months, man.

It's a struggle to get through the winter.

You have to decide not to complain about it.

You have to decide that you're going to embrace it.

Yes, it's challenging.

And then I see Someone Like You, just, like year round, just loving up that beautiful sun outside for all your workouts.

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Just, you know, it looks lovely man.

I try to get outside as much as I can.

There is sometimes of the year, like maybe one or two months or maybe maximum three months where, you know, you are going to be spend more time indoors.

But I still aim to get outside every single day because being outdoors is a biological necessity.

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That's where we have evolved as human beings over thousands of years.

And so it's a very modern thing for us, you know, to live in these boxes where the air doesn't change, we don't get the natural light.

Our circadian rhythms are totally thrown off, bombarded by artificial blue light.

But yeah, like I'm the same with you.

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I obviously go with the flow and I embrace seasonality and I really respect and appreciate seasonality.

A couple of years ago actually, I actually moved to the equator.

I sold everything here with my partner Tina.

We we moved to the equator around Costa Rica area and we decided to see how it is to live there, you know, and basically we kind of missed Cyprus.

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So we kind of came back.

There was some things that made life a little bit more challenging to live there and so it makes you really appreciate also the seasonal aspect because I was trying to avoid the winter time.

That's why I actually left Cyprus during the winter.

I went to Costa Rica and then I came back, but I wasn't actually planning on coming back because it was just a one way ticket.

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So then we just bought a ticket, you know, to come back.

But yeah, I just love it.

I love the, I love the winter, I love the summer.

And every single season gives you something very unique for your biology.

For example, in the winter time, you're designed to get the cold because you have the absence of light and you're not able to make as much vitamin D.

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And we know that now the science is showing about the science of biophotons, which is the light, which is what the mitochondria produce when you go through cellular respiration, you know, through metabolism.

The more you use your mitochondria, the more you work them, basically the more biophotons they produce.

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And these biophotons interact with the cholesterol, which is near the mitochondria and it helps you produce pre vitamin D and that basically gets converted to vitamin D.

So it's insane.

Let's back that up.

I want to pick that apart, and I want to start at this idea of the circadian rhythm and the equator.

6:09

When I was younger, I used to think, I want to, you know, dip down.

That's where I want to be down by the equator, you know, where there's no winter.

And I guess I hadn't really realized early on how you, I would be giving up those long days of summer.

And you get down there and you're like, oh, it's, it's sunrise at 6:00 AM.

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It's sunset at 6:00 PM every day, every day, every day, no end to it, same day.

And it's like for me having, you know, we have winter days that are 8 hours long and we have summer days that are 16 hours long.

I've gotten really used to that rhythmic change and come to really appreciate it.

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And it sort of feels like Groundhog Day to just keep repeating the same day over and over again.

Something that I would like to re popularize.

I hope I have time to really put some energy into this at some point.

But is the sundial?

I just think that the sundial is not an antiquated way of telling time.

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It's actually the correct biologically correct way of telling time.

And on a sundial, it's six to six, whether the day is 16 hours long or it's 8 hours long.

So in the winter time, sun rises at six, sets at six, but the hours are shorter.

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And then in the summer, it's the same six to six, but the hours are longer.

And time is relative to town.

Like if I go to the next town, they're going to have a slightly different time.

But we've standardized it all, you know?

But anyway, I was curious how that felt for you too when you were down there, because it's not just the seasons, but it's like, for me, 6:00 PM feels like an early end of the end of the day.

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Or did you feel that at all?

Like, what's up?

What's the summer days like in Cyprus?

The summer days are beautiful here like and now the sun rises around 5:45 or so.

Maybe if you say Daybreak it's probably 5:30, which I like to wake up more towards Daybreak just because you catch that pre sunrise and you see the beautiful color cascade that occurs, you know, in the sky.

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And that is like the most beautiful thing that you can see first thing in the morning because it primes your mitochondria, right?

But it also sets around the latest 8:30 in the peak summer.

But right now it's setting around 7:45.

But yeah, the days have already gotten significantly longer since the the clocks have changed.

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OK, great.

And now you're, you've got a significant focus, you've already said it multiple times on circadian rhythm and the relationship of sunlight and mitochondria.

That's really interesting to me.

I want to start to pick that apart a little bit.

I was just, I just had a guest on the other day.

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We were talking about mitochondria and how fascinating they are because they have their own genetic code that comes only through the maternal line.

I mean, that's just so fascinating.

And you know, they're, he was talking about them.

I think usually I think of them as being the metabolic furnace of the cell in a sense.

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He was talking about them kind of like a factory.

So maybe you could kind of take us through what's your view of mitochondria?

How do you think about mitochondria and in in the framework of how we're going to be talking about them today, You know what a mitochondria do for us in our cell and how do we kind of crank them up as as you were talking about before?

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Oh yeah, that was a fantastic question.

And I love talking about the mitochondria so much because they are the powerhouse of the cell.

That's what they teach us in school, right?

They produce that cellular energy.

But it doesn't stop there because actually the bigger part of the story is rather when you are going through the electron transport chain, which is within the mitochondria where the energy is produced, where the electrons are flowing, you actually have these five checkpoints, these enzymatic steps and on, on, on the enzyme 4 #4 cytochrome C oxidase is the point where you actually produce mitochondrial water.

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And this water is the most pristine water you will you will ever find.

And it's so important that the body actually produces this water because it actually hydrates the cell from the inside.

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Most people think that the water that we drink automatically translates to cellular hydration, but that's not the case.

It may contribute to your blood volume, so blood hydration and lymphatic system hydration.

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And that may help with the extracellular matrix, you know, where the cells are living in basically we are floating in pretty much.

But then that might not necessarily translate into the the water actually getting into the cell.

And so the cellular hydration is reliant on the mitochondria.

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And if the mitochondria are dysfunctional due to artificial blue light and non-native electromagnetic fields for example, then you won't produce the cellular water cell cells become to be start to become dehydrated.

They start to have less energy.

And we know that we need energy for everything, for detox, repair, regeneration and like healing.

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So if you actually don't have energy, you are not able to do those things.

They don't happen automatically.

Your body needs energy to do all those processes, and the definition of life and death is the difference between your mitochondria working and not working.

So it's like literally that simple.

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As soon as your lights go out, literally as soon as your mitochondria stop producing this water, they stop producing the ATP, which is basically the cellular currency that the body uses for energy.

And also the water is acting like a battery.

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So let me break this down a little bit.

A lot of people start to think that the water inside the body is like the water that we drink, but it's not the case.

The water inside of our bodies more gel like and it's found in this what we call exclusion zone, which is the fourth phase of water.

This is the work of Professor Gerald Pollack.

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He basically did some great research on when you shine specific wavelengths of light, specifically red and infrared light, like from the sun for example.

You're able to change the form of water from what they call bulk water, which is what you find in a glass BULK to exclusion zone water as or as he calls it easy water.

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And then this water has a negative charge, and it has a negative charge because it draws electrons to it.

And then this water acts like a battery, which is like a reservoir where it can be used anywhere where it's required in the body.

Now remember that.

Store electrons.

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Store electrons that.

Water storing electrons.

So very much like when you say a battery, you actually mean that in a pretty literal sense.

I mean, it has it has a store, it's storing electrons for future use as energy.

Correct.

Yes.

And it's so fascinating because the majority of our body as you know is primarily made-up of water, around 70% when we are born or maybe 90% when we are born.

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But it starts to decline every single decade, the hydration level.

This is why we start to I, in my opinion, encounter different dysfunctions in the system because hydration of all semiconductors in the body, all things that require communication at the speed of light require water in order to facilitate this process and so, for example, would.

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You say sorry to interrupt you, but I just want to make sure people are getting all this.

I want to pick this apart.

Are you suggesting that people are dehydrating decade by decade because not because of a lack of bulk water going in, but because of a lack of easy water being produced from within?

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Correct, exactly because you can also convert the water that you drink into easy water as well.

The best form of easy water you can consume is obviously from fruits that is actually found in an exclusion zone state.

That is why when you cut the fruit open, it doesn't gush out with water, right?

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It's actually found in this more gel like structure, like steak.

The the perfect example is aloe Vera.

You look at aloe Vera, that's like the perfect exclusion zone, right?

And so yeah, every, every tissue in your body incredibly has this exclusion zone water.

For example, the inner arterial wall is far is layered with this exclusion zone water.

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And that is what allows the red blood cells to funnel through the arteries and the veins and the capillaries without the the need of a pump, because the heart is actually not pump.

It's meant for vortexing the blood and structuring the blood and energizing the blood.

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Of course, that's one of its roles, right?

As well as as pumping.

But the action is mainly.

So many things hold on, roll that back of it just because I think people need to really hear that.

I you know, I often will say the heart's the conductor of the orchestra, but it certainly doesn't have the power output to push through what's like millions of miles of vessels that you have in your body, right.

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So it would be, I mean, you can try imagine trying to generate enough force with a muscle to to squeeze all the blood through.

I mean, that's a very outdated view, but that's still the mechanical view that most people have.

But you're saying that and then I guess I had the impression that it was the contractions of the smooth muscle walls of the arteries that were moving that blood through.

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But you're saying no, it's more of a energetic effect caused by the easy water and probably the electrical charge in the exterior of those red blood cells.

Correct.

It's sort of like a magnet.

You know, when you put like magnets together which repel each other, and you put something in the middle and it shoots through because it's, you know, it doesn't stick to a magnet.

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It's exactly the same thing with the red blood cells.

The same phenomenon is occurring in trees.

I'm pretty sure that you're well aware of this.

How, how, how on earth does water go travel up to the top of a tree?

It's like, it's like almost impossible, right?

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But it's getting there due to the fact that of course, you know, water is always seeking, you know, where it's dry, right?

So it's going to, it's going to suck it up.

But at the same time, you have the charge, which is actually the electromagnetic force.

The trees are grounded, which is what allowing the water to propel itself all the way to the top of the tree, to the leaves.

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The same thing is happening inside of the body because we are electrical often going to tell you it's.

They'll tell you it's capillary action, that it's bringing it up, which is, you know, it seems a little far fetched.

I'm I can't help but wonder how much of the Earth's water was produced virgin in the bodies of living creatures, you know, like you, you look out at this vast oceans.

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It's like how much of that water was produced through this cellular function that you're talking about.

You know, I think we think of it as right, the earth being like, oh, this this beautiful place where we're so lucky to have this kind of Oasis of water, But it's like, are we making a lot of that water is that it's got I mean, it can't be a statistically insignificant amount with this many life forms.

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I don't know if that's something you've ever considered or have any thoughts on.

I've.

Never thought about that before, but that's that's a wild thought.

So you are you basically saying that when animals die the and decompose they they turn into this water or they contribute to the amount of water?

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Well, I'm just saying if, if, if I'm producing water inside my body, H2O that didn't exist before.

So essentially oxidizing hydrogen gas I assume is what's happening or hydrogen ions.

So, so you're producing new water molecules.

So over the course of your life, you know, however many, I don't know if that's a teaspoon of water or that's like gallons of water that you'll manufacture that didn't exist on Earth before.

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Because you know, you think about like a spring where you've got maybe you've got ancient water that's been trapped under, they'll call it fossil water.

Or sometimes you'll see like a piece of quartz crystal and it's got a little bubble with water in there.

And you're like, man, that water's been in there.

Who knows how long, but it's been there a long time.

It's trapped in there.

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So you think of sort of like this water that's trapped on the earth.

They say some's raining down from space maybe too.

But like, yeah, obviously we're making water, which means we're adding to that.

I don't know, that's fascinating.

But OK, so back to it.

We're talking about the way that water's moved through the vessels of trees, so the the phylum of trees and then through our our arteries and I assume our veins as well, which is fascinating.

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And we were talking about structured water.

Take us back to the mitochondria.

Yes, these apparently exotic organisms that are now symbionts with animals, right?

They've moved into our cells.

Their DNA only comes through the maternal line.

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You can trace mitochondrial DNA back to.

They call her Mitochondrial Eve, the first woman.

I mean, this is like weird, far out stuff, right?

But the mitochondria, What?

What?

How do we positively impact the mitochondria in our body and are they fixed?

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Like does a cell have a fixed number of mitochondria?

Can you increase the amount that you have?

Yes, great questions.

I would like to add one more thing before we move into that about the mitochondria that they are these, they are a quantum sensor.

So they sense everything in your environment and they know how to respond based on the environment that you put your body in.

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And So what do I mean by that?

They're sensitive to the light, they're sensitive to the temperature, they're sensitive to the electromagnetic field of the Earth.

Our bodies literally wired to be connected to our environment and not disconnected.

And now because we are disconnected, our mitochondria are suffering.

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So I already mentioned multiple things that what is actually causing mitochondrial dysfunction, right?

Artificial blue light phones, electromagnetic fields, you can talk about lymphatic system stagnation, toxins, all these different things that we are encountering in our modern life is obviously damaging and impacting our mitochondria, including a processed diet and not sleeping and and all this kind of stuff.

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But when you were to talk about mitochondrial optimization and how that actually helps us produce more cellular energy, you know, combat things like diabetes, insulin resistance, have better metabolic health, bet better metabolic flexibility.

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That all starts on a mitochondrial level because if that energy factory is not working properly, the food that you're taking in isn't as going to have nowhere to be metabolized.

So it's literally going to be floating around in your bloodstream, sitting there and causing havoc.

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For example, high blood sugar, like chronically elevated blood glucose is going to create havoc and inflammation in the system.

Glucose spikes are not inherently harmful, but chronically elevated glucose is actually harmful because it actually causes damage to the arterial walls.

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It breaks down this exclusion zone water and then that's where we start to build the atheromatic plaque, which is the hardening of the arteries and lay layering down the cholesterol to save the day.

Cholesterol is actually the fireman.

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It's not actually the cause of, you know, most of our issues today with which we think about, you know, cardiovascular disease.

Did you want to jump in there?

I do.

I'm sorry to keep doing that to you, but you're dropping so many pearls here as you go.

And I just want to make sure they all get explored.

So the first of all, tell me if this analogy feels fair to what you just said.

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It's like every mitochondria is like maybe like a little wood stove and the blood sugar that we have is like sticks floating through the blood.

And the goal would be to be pulling those sticks out and constantly putting them into the fireplace and burning them up, right, to produce energy.

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But if, if we start shutting down all of those dampers on all of those fireplaces, now they're just smoldering.

All the sticks are building up, but worse.

It sounds like you're saying the sticks in my analogy are that's the blood sugar.

That stuff's actually eroding away that easy water.

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So now we don't have that superconductor.

Earlier when you were talking about it, it made me think about those kind of like the Japanese bullet trains, right?

I believe that works on a similar kind of a concept.

So it's the that sort of electromagnetism that's allowing the train to both float and propel, right?

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So something like that.

Like if we start to strip away that easy water, now you need mechanical forces to push those blood cells through rather than those electrical forces.

And that's where you start to get damage to the walls of the artery, that stuff that needs to now start building up onto patch and fix and repair.

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Am I getting that sort of sort of close?

There is also immune system response due to chronically elevated blood because the the the blood is very tightly regulated, right?

What's allowed in the blood or not?

So and things that manifest in the blood are always like the end stage unit.

So when we take blood tests, it's kind of like, are you actually looking at something accurate here?

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Are you looking at something that's been going on for a very long time?

It's not the best like predictor of things.

Of course it can give you a predictor of long term health like what you've been doing, for example, Because again, as I said, it's a marker of, you know, it's very tightly regulated.

Things are showing that presenting themselves slowly over time.

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And if things are looking not so optimal on lab tests, for example, in your blood, you know that some serious stuff is going on in your body that's been going on for a really long time.

But basically, again, your immune system is going to be triggered.

You know, if you've got floating proteins that you should have been in your blood, you know, too many lipids, too, too many CAR, you know, sugars, glucose, then you're going to create an inflammatory response, an immune cascade.

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And that's obviously the immune system is always there to protect you.

But when it starts to perceive that what you're eating is actually a threat to you, that's when we start to encounter problems because that stuff is not meant to be there for over a certain period of time.

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It's supposed to travel through your blood to get to where they need to go to provide energy to that specific tissues like your brain, your eyes, your muscles, your liver.

But then it's supposed to get out of the blood.

It's like a transportation system.

The blood is meant to deliver the oxygen, for example, around the body, right?

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And without oxygen, we know that we, we basically die.

And so it's a very important like transportation system, but it, it's not supposed to be overwhelmed.

This is the idea of keeping it as clean as possible.

And how do we do that is by actually making sure that our detoxification system is working correct, which is our lymphatic system, our primary detox system.

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And anything from the blood, the blood plasma, which is the yellow stuff, which basically, and in the end becomes your urine.

You, you peed out it's old plasma, your urine, right?

So basically it goes into the lymphatic system, it goes through the whole cycle through your kidneys and your kidneys filter the plasma and the waste plasma gets excreted out your body.

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And now you have clean plasma.

So your, your kidneys are filtering basically your plasma, which is part of your blood and it's creating a big part, a big volume of your blood.

And so we try need to keep the blood as clean as possible so we don't create those immune cascades and inflammatory cascades to actually create damage in the arteries and veins.

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My understanding, and again, I'll, I'll yield to you here on this, my understanding is that for our detoxification pathways to be functioning optimally, our body needs to understand that it's in a, a safe environment where it can be relaxed enough to do that, right.

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So if I'm in a sympathetic nervous system state, if I'm stressed out, if I'm feeling fear, anger, frustration, impatience, and my body's producing, you know, sympathetic nervous system hormones like adrenaline, I'm probably In other words, somebody might think I'm going to go running today to detoxify.

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Look at all that sweat that I'm purging out.

That's got to be detoxifying me.

And it's like not the same as the sweat that's coming in the sauna when I'm relaxed and my, my parasympathetic nervous systems active, right?

So my, my first thought is just how many people in our culture are living unaware in a chronic state of sympathetic nervous system activation.

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And therefore they it must be very difficult for them to ever get into a state where they can detoxify their blood.

Yeah, this is a really fantastic segue because this also ties into the mobility aspect, which we'll be hopefully talking about later on, because mobility, nervous systems state, lymphatic system, blood flow, tissue tension, these are all connected, right?

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So most people think that, you know, OK, I'll talk about mobility later.

I was going to go there, but basically, yeah, when your body is relaxed, your body is more tense.

You increase, sorry.

When your body is in a fight and flight state, your body is more tense.

And so that means that your tissues are more tight.

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And think of a muscle or a tissue, any tissue in your body, like a sponge.

When a sponge is kind of like soft, it's kind of like allows water to flow through it, right?

But if you squeeze a sponge, well, there's no fluid in it.

And so that's basically a great analogy for your tissues in your body.

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Now you have going to have decreased blood flow, decreased lymphatic system flow.

And because your lymphatic system does not have its own pump like like the heart has, I mean, the cardiovascular system has then use your responsibility to move the lymphatic system and to assist the lymphatic system, you have to be relaxed.

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So there are obviously multiple ways to do this.

I'm sure you're aware of Doctor Perry Nicholson, also known as Stop Chasing Pain.

They're also known as the lymph doc.

Do you know him?

I don't know.

Oh, he's fantastic.

Yeah, you need to check him out.

Yeah, he's like the doctor.

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If you want his name again, Perry Nicholson, Doctor Perry Nicholson, also known as Stop Chasing Pain on all platforms.

OK.

Thank you.

Yeah, he's fantastic.

Like he is all things lymphatic system.

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He went through his own personal struggles and that's how he came to the conclusion that that was like one of the systems that he wasn't paying attention to.

And so basically, yes, I do always talk to Perry's Lymph Reset.

And I'm sure you've seen this routine online where you massage above the collarbones, which is step one, because this is where the lymphatic system drains.

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And you have to start from the collarbones first and not anywhere else from your feet or your arms.

Because if this is congested here, then you're just going to create backup and it's all just going to flow back.

And all you're doing really is just swishing your lymphatic system around without actually cleaning your lymphatic system without draining.

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So you have to.

Let's make sure.

Yes.

Oh God, I was going to.

I just want to make sure that our listeners know what we're talking about.

Let's talk about the lymphatic system briefly because I, I think this is one of those things people hear it and they, it almost feels like, well, you're supposed to know what it is.

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So sometimes people don't want to ask.

And so I want to just make sure we're clear.

So we were talking before about your circulatory system, you know, your heart, veins and arteries.

So that's like 1 system, but obviously there's that, that blood has the plasma you were talking about and that stuff sort of roughly, you could kind of say like leaks out around the tissues before you.

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I think of it more like, I think of it like a sewage system.

It's like you have your water lines of clean water in your house, cold water, hot water, but then you have the grey water that's like in your leach field or your, your septic tank or whatever that stuff is the lymphatic fluid.

And if somebody, if you think of somebody was swollen lower legs, like that's edema that that's all basically lymph.

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But like you were saying, the lymph does not have a central orchestrator like the heart.

So muscular action and movement propel it.

And my understanding of lymph vessels are, are lots of chains of sort of one way valves so that as fluid is moved up, let's say from your leg, if I jump up and down, fluids moving up and down, but it can't go back down.

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So it keeps moving up and up.

And I, I believe you have channels into your lymphatic system where they drain.

Sorry, your lymphatic system drains into your venous system at the groin and at the collar bones, is that right?

And the last thing I'll say is most people have felt lymph nodes before where they get swollen.

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Those are junction points in the lymphatic system.

You've got obviously lots of them in your armpits, in your groin.

You know, something that's always interesting to me, Andreas, and I'll, I'll turn it back to you, is how the parts of the body that we often cut out of people are all lymphatic tissue, right?

31:27

So it's we remove breast tissue, adenoids, tonsils, lymph nodes themselves, the appendix, all of that is lymphatic tissue.

And so it's really interesting that one of the most common ectomies that we do, it's like, oh, there's a problem with the lymphatic system.

31:46

We just cut it out instead of figuring out how to drain it and clear it right?

Yeah, it's very dangerous to what you're saying.

No, no, no, it's very dangerous.

Like when I, in my opinion, when you do that because you're a lymphatic system is obviously where the majority of your immune system lives.

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And you when you look at, for example, a lymphatic system anatomy and you look at a chart of all the vessels represented in green, typically, you know, when normally you have the representation of the cardiovascular system of red and blue, then you've got the representation of the lymphatic system in green representing kind of like sewage or like, you know, more like waste.

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But the majority of your immune system actually lives within your lymphatic system.

And if you actually are eliminating a lot of those lymph nodes, you're actually removing a lot of checkpoints that are built in your body by design in order to scan your lymph.

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And when your body is able to scan that lymphatic system and understand what's actually in there, it can produce an immune reaction against that specific thing to kill it before it goes too far.

But if you actually, but if you don't have those checkpoints, which is your lymph nodes and you remove them, then you are now reducing basically your immune system function.

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And so it's kind of like nefarious, you know where they do this, but because they don't teach people how to take care of their lymphatic system.

And there is so many ways to take care of it.

But number one is stop intoxicating it in the first place because it's like you're one of the major roles of your lymphatic system is detoxifying your body, getting rid of damaged cells, metabolic waste for example, cell like cells produce energy and with energy comes waste as well.

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And so one of the roles of the lymphatic system is to clean the waste from around the cells.

The cells cannot accept nutrients and oxygen well if they are living in a soup, which is not conducive for, you know, health, you know, So this is like again, like the lymphatic system role for that.

33:47

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35:23

And you can keep your immune system in check So you're able to fight off anything which could potentially, you know, bring you down or keep your terrain in order.

I, I don't believe so much in the germ theory.

I, I kind of believe that the body is living in this, you know, we're kind of like half bacteria and half, you know, human cells or we're more bacteria than human themselves.

35:43

So we're kind of like in this, that we have an entire universe inside our body pretty much.

So it as above, so below, right?

Like everything outside of you is inside of you.

And so when you look outside, you see a representation of what's actually on the inside.

We're just basically a fractal of of nature.

35:58

OK again a lot there.

Thank you.

I have background so form part of my life.

A couple of jobs I've done, 1 is I worked with severe special needs foster children and I also worked as a body worker in a clinical setting.

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Both of those instances I worked with people who either had essentially no mobility.

So I worked with kids who are who are bedridden all day long on feeding tubes.

And I also worked with people who had spinal cord injuries and had been, you know, essentially relegated to a wheelchair.

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And what I noticed with people who don't have the ability to move around is how much lymph they end up swimming in.

And what I noticed was in particular, I'm thinking of someone who was a, a very significant, I mean, this was an athlete, a Top Gun pilot, fighter jet pilot, and then a commercial pilot who had a skiing accident and ended up living the rest of his life in a chair as a quadriplegic.

37:05

And I watched over time how many growth started to appear on his skin, how much edema he developed a lot of like a, an odor that he developed.

And I'm I'm talking like skin tags and moles and growths just everywhere.

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And it appeared to me that that was because his lymph was not being cleared regularly because there was nothing to move that lymph except the body work that I was doing.

I mean, that would be a big goal of mine was just try to move some fluids up from his legs to his groins and like you said, from his arms and torso to his collarbones.

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I just don't think people appreciate enough this component when we talk about obesity and, and from lack of movement that you're, that you've got extremely swampy, stagnant fluids that need to be filtered out.

And people just think like it's just about your cardiovascular health.

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And it's like, man, that's a, you let your cells swim in that toxic soup too long.

You kind of know where that's headed.

Exactly.

And it is part of your cardiovascular system like people think lymphatic system and cardiovascular system are separate is it's pretty much one system.

It's a it's you require it in order for your cardiovascular system to function properly.

38:20

But you met, you said, you mentioned something very important there about obesity and that brought me my train of thought back about the lymphatic system and how the connection between lymphatic health and fat gain, for example.

So a lot of people may be doing all the diets in the world, they may be over exercising.

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They may be like trying to do all the things right.

But if they're living in a very toxic environment or a very non-native BMF filled world, a very stressful job, or they are sitting a lot of the time outside of training, then they are going to have congested lymphatics.

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And congested lymphatics means that the fluids are not moving.

So what happens to a lake or a river that stops moving?

It starts turning green, right?

That's basically what happens to your lymphatic system inside of your body.

It turns like a swamp.

And then in order for your body to protect you because your lymphatic system, as I mentioned, is your primary detox system of your body.

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If there's a lot of toxins that it's trying to remove and it cannot because the fluids are not moving, then the only option is now is to store it in body fat.

Because that is an easy way to put it somewhere where it's not going to damage your brain or your vital organs until it sees that your lymphatic system is flowing again and it's more clean.

39:37

So you can start losing the body fat again to start dumping the toxins back into the lymphatic system to get detoxified.

A lot of people when they start losing a lot of weight, and this is through my experience as a coach through over many years helping a lot of people lose like, you know, 40 kilos, 50 kilos, that's like over £100.

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They start to experience a lot of like sickness, dizziness, like vomiting, diarrhea, like like these kind of symptoms of detox because their body cannot handle the amount of toxins which are being dumped into their lymphatic system so fast from the fat loss.

40:13

So rapid fat loss can actually be quite dangerous on the system, especially if your fat is holding onto a lot of toxins or even mold from your environment.

Because most of the things that are taught, many, many of the things that are toxic to us are fat soluble.

40:30

Yes, right.

And so they, they dissolve in oil.

And so your body, you've got a big drop of oil in every fat cell.

Your body, just like you said, deposits it there for safekeeping or because the channels aren't open enough to remove it.

And then, yeah, that's always scary to me.

Somebody starts and you, you know now with the the advent of weight loss drugs now people.

40:51

Who?

Are able to lose that weight very rapidly and that means yeah, you're talking heavy metals, you're talking glyphosate and other, you know, herbicides.

All these environmental toxins are suddenly free floating in the blood.

It's all that's a lot.

41:07

You'd think that it would be wisdom to pair rapid weight loss with detoxification program that would account for some of that.

All right then, even if you do pair it like it's rapid fat loss is still a problem like nature doesn't favor rapid fat loss because you actually like your body never wants to lose body fat.

41:27

This is something that I tell every single client of mine at the beginning.

Do not have your expectation or your target or your motivation on fat loss.

Fat loss, It should be a byproduct of a healthy lifestyle.

And so if you live your life in a healthy manner, your weight will drop gradually and safely.

41:46

But if you aim to do it too rapidly, it can still be problematic.

It's can still overwhelm your lymphatic system.

Of course, it's better to lose the weight than to not lose the weight because I feel like you just improve your overall health in general, your metabolic health, your overall mortality risk when you lose body fat.

42:03

But at the end of the day, again, you need to be like cautious in your approach.

I think most people are having two hard time losing body fat.

They're not having an easy time losing, you know, a lot of body fat.

But you know, as you said, with the introduction of these GOP ones, then that you see a lot of people are, you know, losing their eyesight, maybe they are encountering like some stomach paralysis or you know, that you see that they're aging rapidly.

42:29

And that is because there are there are multiple different things that are occurring there.

I think the way that because your, your stomach produces its own GOP one, right?

You know, through healthy, healthy living.

But then when you take exogenously, I don't know why it causes you or why it can contribute to stomach paralysis, but I can imagine that that's probably one of the reasons 'cause now your body is like, OK, I don't need to do this anymore.

42:53

Probably loses some of its functions.

I don't know what that has to do with the.

It's like your testicles shrinking when you take exogenous testosterone, right?

And then testicles shrink.

They don't need to produce that anymore.

Yeah, that's fascinating.

And I think that I mean, I guess this is probably obvious to everybody, but we've gotten to this point now where, you know, if you look back to I had AI knew a guy who had this collection of Playboy magazines from the 19.

43:18

I probably going back to the earliest days and I remember seeing him and that the for the articles, the, the way people looked in magazines in the 70s versus how they look today, There was very little emphasis on muscularity, very little emphasis on leanness because people were much leaner than anyway.

43:39

But back then people would just be on a cover of a magazine with like Whitehead pimples, which you just like, You don't see that anymore, right?

Everything's been polished.

Everything is if you don't have ABS, they're going to put them on you.

You know, they do all the things.

And now we're at this stage where people are happy to accept, accept the facsimile of something rather than the real thing.

44:00

And So what I just heard from you is like looking fit is a by product of a lifestyle.

Yes, people don't want the lifestyle.

They want the by product, yes, but not the lifestyle.

And it turns out all the ways that you get that by product without doing the lifestyle are pretty bad for you in the end.

44:19

And I feel sad because so many people are taking not only taking all, all these cocktails of peptides, but I mean, they're buying them on the black market, which just experience tells me I've, I've been alive almost 50 years now.

44:34

Experience tells me nothing's free.

And we'll find out down the road.

All of this stuff's going to come out and it's going to be sad because so many people were wanted to have ABS so bad or whatever it was.

They wanted to look fit so bad or they wanted to lose weight so rapidly that they were willing to take experimental black market drugs in an environment where like, I mean, it's like if you want to do recreational drugs today, you have to be so careful because things like fentanyl are in the, we don't even, we're not even looking at what's in these right now.

45:08

That's terrifying to me.

And we don't know what effects they're going to have and we don't know what tissues are being activated by them outside of the target ones.

And anyway, I'm not yet it's too far off track.

But I, I do think it's important to say that, like you said, the weight loss should be a byproduct of the lifestyle.

45:24

The goal should be feeling good, not looking good.

Looking good should come from feeling good.

Exactly, because if you do everything in alignment with nature, like nature seems to optimize biology, it seems to optimize all living things.

And when you live in alignment with the light and dark cycles, the seasonality, the change in the temperature, like for example, the temperature even throughout the day, in the morning it's cooler and it gets hotter in the middle of the day, and then it gets cool towards the evening.

45:51

Again, Your body's meant to experience all of those changes because all of these things entrain your rhythm.

This is why the circadian mechanism is the foundation of health.

And that's where everybody should start if they want want to actually look good and feel good.

Because looking good starts with a healthy metabolism and metabolism is governed by your circadian rhythms.

46:12

Because mitochondria are circadian in nature.

They follow also a 24 hour cycle.

They need the rest and the repair as well.

They can't just work 24/7 otherwise you burn them out.

This is why people who drink all the time, coffee or they stimulate their body all the time, they literally are exhausting their mitochondria.

46:30

They're producing too much reactive oxygen species, too much bio photon emission, and that is actually damaging to the system.

Obviously, Ros reactive oxygen species is not inherently harmful.

It's also acting as a messenger.

46:46

So basically it informs other mitochondria.

And you asked me a question P previously about how can we actually increase the amount of mitochondria in the body.

And the answer is yes, through mitochondrial Biogenesis.

And every time when you exercise your body, you actually produce new mitochondria.

47:03

You be you are building muscle, you are you are requiring from your system that is making new tissue.

So therefore you're going to build more mitochondria as well.

So you've got more of these energy factories in your body, raising your metabolic rate, putting you in a natural deficit without changing your food intake and therefore leading to fat loss.

47:23

Because fat loss always requires a deficit in some form, whether that is to restrict the amount of food you're eating or to expend more energy than you're taking in.

And there are many ways to optimize metabolism and metabolic rate, but most people don't know this.

47:41

They think that the only way to be in a deficit is by restricting as much as possible.

But I would rather people not restrict much and actually optimize their environment to raise their total daily energy expenditure, which includes not only your basic metabolic rate, which means what you're burning when you're sitting down doing nothing.

48:00

But your total daily energy expenditure involves all of your movements, your, your eating, your, your digestion of food, your thinking, your fidgeting, your tasks, your exercising, like all of these things.

That's your total daily energy expenditure.

And the higher that is, the more obviously you're burning.

48:16

And then if you're not overeating or eating the same amount, you're going to maintain your weight.

But if you eat less than that, you're going to lose weight.

So it's.

It's literally that simple.

It's so easy for people to underestimate the power of little things that you do throughout the day.

So, or let me invert that, it's very easy for someone to work out for an hour a day real hard and then spend the rest of the day sitting around and being a sedentary person.

48:42

Conversely, it's easy to underestimate the.

So in that case, I guess you're overestimating the value of the exercise.

The exercise is valuable, but if you've got 23 sedentary hours aside from that, it's hard to kind of overcome that.

And conversely, you know, my wife is amazing about this.

48:58

Every time she eats, she goes, we, we, we installed a track around our, on our land.

So we have just like about 1/10 of a mile track.

You know, you'd have to run it 10 times for a mile, but it's a big, you know, Oval track.

And every time she gets done eating anything or snacking, she goes and walks that thing and she takes the dogs and they walk it.

49:17

And I always say to people like the value of having dogs is that you, you know, they take you for a walk everyday, but it's, there's so many things besides just that one hour of exercise.

You want to be like, I like that you said fidgeting, you know, 'cause when I see somebody who sits still chronically for a long time, I'm like, oh God, I just can't, you know?

49:39

But all of that, that movement is so important right to to contributing so that you don't have to just dietary restrict, but you can actually burn more.

Yeah.

And what, what else are you doing when you're fidgeting and moving?

You're, you're pumping your blood in your lymph again, like you, you talked about the, that, that patient or that, that person that you were working with who was sitting down and they, they couldn't move or not sitting down, rather they were, you know, they were immobilized.

50:05

And so basically the muscles literally act like a pump.

And one of the major roles of the calves actually is to pump your blood and your lymph back up to the heart because actually your heart is not, you know, strong enough to be able to push the blood so strongly all the way down and then magically bring it all the way back up.

50:22

So your calves actually literally are your second heart.

They actually pump your blood and your lymphatic system back up.

And so movement is absolutely critical, something which I say all the time is like, movement is a biological necessity.

Exercise is nice.

What does that mean?

50:38

It means that exercise is the deliberate heart, intentional like movements or exercises for taking you towards a specific goal, like whether that is like strength or you know, agility, explosiveness, muscle mass, whatever.

50:54

But then movement is what you do outside of that.

So that's like walking, rope flow, swimming, like yoga, cycling, like all of these things are supposed to be in addition to your exercise because they contribute to your total daily energy expenditure, but they contribute to your overall health and well-being because they shift your nervous system more into a parasympathetic state because it's hard.

51:18

Exercise shifts your body more into sympathetic dominance and that's OK for a short period of time.

And that's, that's actually one of the benefits of exercise because it shows your body the contrast between doing and not doing.

And they're not doing is signaling to your brain and nervous system that now we can shift into parasympathetic state.

51:37

But when people don't exercise at all, they don't do any hard exercise.

They are and they are encountering a lot of stress.

Their body doesn't know what the difference is between, you know, pushing and not pushing.

So they have this chronic moderate stress.

And the moderate stress is what kills us.

51:55

It literally kills us.

Like if chronic stress is like one of the, you know, up there with one of the leading causes of death.

Yeah, wow, this is such an important part of it.

And I I think it's very easy in this kind of a conversation to default to talking about sedentary people.

52:13

But I want to talk about the other side of that too.

You know, I go to a CrossFit gym.

I'm probably going to get in trouble for this here because of my community is going to hear it.

But my wife coaches at a CrossFit gym.

I go two to three days a week if I'm really on top of it.

I mostly trained.

I've got a gym here at home and, and a lot of space to train and I like to train alone most of the time.

52:33

So but I I like being part of a community as well.

Now most of the people that go to that gym go 5 or 6 days a week and CrossFit for anybody who knows is you're running from the tiger.

That's how I think of it.

It's it's like a life or death.

You know the workout I did yesterday there, I mean, it's life or death is how it feels.

52:52

You know, you're on a clock and a timer and there's competition and stress.

Now, what I've noticed is that the people that do that every day, they're only training, the workouts are short, usually 5 to 20 minutes.

A 30 minute workout would be really long in CrossFit.

Now they're doing short workouts.

53:08

They get some incredible benefits, but they also all are basically taped together after a while, like as they get older, it's like knee sleeves, elbow sleeves, tape.

And to me, it just looks like they're they're your body needs to run from the tiger sometimes, but not every day because that induces so much stress, what it looks like to me.

53:28

And then I'll see a lot of them start to get chronically overweight, like they can't get rid of their body fat, even though they're training really hard.

And it's like, well, your cortisol levels are through the roof, You're inflamed, you're not getting rest.

Your sympathetic nervous system state, you know, something I learned from, I don't know if you know the work of Andy Galpin, but he says at the end of a hard workout, he like, he recommends A blindfold for 5 minutes of meditative breathing to say, hey, the Tiger's gone.

53:53

You're not running for your life anymore.

But what I noticed is people get done these really intense workouts.

They run out to their car, they get in traffic, they stress the whole way home.

They're, they go to work the next day.

And even though they're doing something that could be good for their body, it's almost as bad in some cases from an injury perspective as being sedentary.

54:12

So it's like there's got to be balances here.

And I love what you're saying too, because about movement being separate from exercise, because like, I walk my dogs everyday.

I don't think like I'm going for a walk, a workout, you know, but that extra mile a day is pumping lymph.

54:29

My calves are obviously having to move.

I'm on unstable surfaces.

I'm getting all that exposure to the elements.

But it's just part of my day.

And I think if we're going to schedule workouts, it's really important that they aren't all the kind that make you, your body, feel like it's life or death.

54:44

I think that that's a huge mistake.

It's just something I've noticed that people, athletes, athletic people often do that to their own detriment.

Well, if you're aiming for optimization and longevity, like feeling good for the long term, you should not be training that many times per week.

54:59

I, I OK, you, maybe you don't need you, doesn't matter if you do train, but the, as you mentioned, the training should not be so intense because again, you're breaking your body down more than it's rebuilding.

And we know that the body rebuilds itself outside of the gym, not inside of the gym.

55:15

And so actually, you know, you build your body in the kitchen through your through the food you eat, the nutrition, the building blocks, you, the sleep, the light that you get.

Like the movement is vital for recovery and regeneration because again, assisting that blood flow, that lymphatic system or doing sauna, doing like rebounding, you know, foam rolling, massage gunning, like doing all these things are vital.

55:41

And I would say that they're even more important than the workout itself.

So the workout, it depends what the goal of the training is, right for every individual.

Everyone has a different desire and goal and ambition, but in my view, a workout should be something that gives you more than it takes away from you.

55:58

And so if you leave the workout feeling absolutely trashed, you're going to need one or two days to fully recover from that.

And what I mean is your nervous system state to feel normal and your energy levels to feel back-to-back to normal.

But if you train at a point where you're, you train around 80%, not 100% every time you're going to leave a little bit room, you know, in your in your body and in your nervous system to be able to spring back and to feel good and energized.

56:23

So it's giving you something more than it's taking away.

So again, at this, at the end of the day, people are digging a hole that they cannot refill.

So this is what's happening when you're training more days a week versus than no, no training days because the no training days are I would say even more important than the training days.

56:41

So I would say that someone who is optimizing for longevity and health and well-being in general and actually improving their performance even more, I'd argue that training less is more beneficial for your performance than training more.

True to the fact that you're having a greater recovery time, making you less injury prone, having more energy and intention going into the workout.

57:02

How many people do you know who are getting to the gym and because they come every day, they're kind of dragging themselves and then they kind of feel like, oh, I don't maybe need to give so much of myself today.

Well, it's better if you actually don't go at all and go tomorrow and give, you know, 100% of yourself.

57:19

Yeah, and that I would say on the the reverse of that is when I see people who are afraid to ever push to their so let's say like in the heart rate, heart rate, you know, you have that idea of like heart rate zones.

One of the reasons I love CrossFit and I like to go is because it's puts me into the that upper heart.

57:36

I mean, I I touch my highest heart rate there and I have a hard time doing that on my own, you know, like, so if I'm home training, it's easy to go to 80%.

It's hard to go to 9790, eight, 99%, yes, but in that group environment, I can get there.

And I'm guessing that when I push to the point that I can't, we have this thing we say in CrossFit about being in the pain cave.

57:58

So there's workouts where at the end you're on the floor going like, and I'm like, I got to be making mitochondria from that.

I mean, when I, when my body goes, just like with strength, if I lift something to failure, my body goes, I got to come back stronger for this.

58:15

I would assume that when I hit those high cardio points where I'm maxing out my heart rate, my body says, wow, in order to uptake more oxygen, we're going to need to make some improvements to the system.

So I want to make sure I'm not just saying the negatives and I see the value of both, but it's like, I only want to get to that that place once or twice a week.

58:33

I don't want to do that everyday.

That just seems really dangerous.

I don't have a problem with people pushing themselves to the limit.

I mean, I feel like that's, you know, we're designed to do that as human beings.

And that's if you look at hunter gatherers, for example, and you know this well, you know, they're not going to be sprinting all the time.

58:48

They're going to be sprinting when they want to hunt and gather their food or hunt their food rather, and, you know, catch a prey.

But then they're going to chill the rest of the time or they're going to walk or they're going to commute.

You know it's a new location.

Time.

Yeah, exactly.

And so therefore, they have the big stress for a short period of time and then rest, followed by big stress, followed by rest again.

59:12

And this is key to the recipe.

And I think that human has forgotten this, You know, and This is why I'm saying that I don't have an issue with pushing yourself to failure as long as you have enough recovery time to adapt and come back bigger, better, stronger and faster than before.

59:28

But you're never going to have all of those things if your body hasn't adapted.

And adaptation only occurs during parasympathy activity, right?

Why are I think you'll easily be able to answer this?

My wife teaches a yoga stretch class once a week at our gym and most of the people who are willing to push to that really intense place everyday can't touch their toes, can't reach their back, they're so stiffened and when they go to stretch they can't but make audible noises of like.

1:00:06

Right, 'cause it's like everything is.

I love that we use the term for high blood pressure, hypertension.

It's a great term.

It's like, it sounds like, well, that's you doing it, right?

It's like you're just hypertensed.

But why?

Why is it that those people in the sympathetic nervous system state all the time can't touch their toes?

1:00:26

Well, I mean, as I said to you at the beginning that nervous systems take nervous system states, drives tissue tension.

And so if you think that mobility is a byproduct of tissue tension and hydration and tissue health, then you should ask the question, what is governing my nervous system state?

1:00:47

And so then you have, OK, I can list a couple of things.

We have sunlight versus blue light.

You have sleep, recovery, grounding, breathing.

Breathing is the window into your autonomic nervous system.

It's like the fastest way to regulate your nervous system.

1:01:04

Then you have emotions, trauma, like all of these things are influencing your nervous system state.

And so yeah, if you think about that and also your proprioceptive inputs and what does that mean?

That means your ability to perceive your environment through your 5 senses.

And so if your ability to perceive your environment is dampened, what do you think your nervous system is going to do in order to protect you?

1:01:26

It's going to make you freeze because it doesn't want you to move in case you hurt yourself.

And so a lot of people are blacking all of those things which I just mentioned, or they are doing one or the other.

For example, if you're getting too much blue light, you're sympathetically dominant because it activates our stress response, our alertness, right?

1:01:44

If you're exposed to it 24/7 like most people are, they have brighter nights and darker days, which is the opposite of brighter days and darker nights.

Then you get circadian rhythm disruption.

You have sympathetic dominance.

Therefore, you have increased tissue tension, which leads to decreased lymphatic system flow and blood flow, which means less oxygenation to tissues, which means that now your cell, your cells are becoming hypoxic, which leads to further contraction.

1:02:13

And so, yeah, it all goes like this.

And then obviously tissue hydration, which is, you know what we talked about through the mitochondria, through sunlight, through high quality water, by taking shilajit, by taking like ocean minerals in this way to keep the tissues healthy.

But yeah, the main reason is because of all of these different things.

1:02:32

It's mainly lifestyle driven Is not it's not because you are lacking stretching.

Stretching is sort of like a plaster on top of like, you know, it's like taking a pill.

If you have pain, you're not going to the root cause of the pain.

1:02:48

Why?

Why that pain?

You don't have a pill deficiency.

You don't have a stretch deficiency.

Why do native people hunt to gatherers never stretch or never exercise?

Because they're always in a ready state and their nervous system is primarily in a parasympathetic state.

1:03:06

And the ready state occurs because they're always, they're never really sitting.

They are squatting or they are leaning or they are ready like an animal ready to pounce, ready to move.

So they, they don't need to let me stretch real quick before I do something.

1:03:22

They're all ready to to leave, right?

Like my dogs, my dogs will be like fast asleep and then, you know, a delivery will come and they don't stretch.

They go from sleeping to running and barking in a fraction of a second.

1:03:39

And it doesn't, they never pull anything or get injured from that.

Also, one of the things I remember, you know, when in body work, we would often stretch people.

So, you know, maybe somebody's let's say that they're supine and you maybe stretch their hamstring for them.

And I remember learning from anestheticians and surgeons that when people are anesthetized, they have full range of motion because they are, they are not creating tension in their musculoskeletal system.

1:04:11

So one thing that I noticed when I watch people try to do some basic yoga poses is I'll think like, oh, they, they don't know.

They're fighting themselves.

They're sending tension to the muscle and then they're trying to stretch the muscle that they've sent tension to.

And that's kind of a funny thing, right?

1:04:28

Because it's like your mind is you're in your body or like at war with each other.

Because I noticed when I'm stretching something or if I'm holding a pose, the more I use my breath and my psychology, the more that thing just let's go and let's go and let's go.

1:04:43

So I would assume that a lot of people are hypertensive emotionally and then they're wondering why they have no freedom of movement.

But it's like, if you stress me out, I'm going to everything tightens up.

Yep, you know, And then it's like if I never let that back out, I think a lot of people don't ever really let that back out.

1:05:04

And then obviously all they have to do is turn on their social media or their news and get the the non-stop stream of fear porn that keeps you even more tight and tense and stressed and your enemies, your neighbors, your enemy, your family members, your enemy.

And then like everything is threatening.

1:05:20

And then it's just like, you're so tight, right?

I mean, it's just like a loop that everybody stuck in.

Your your body is meant to, by design, become tight in a heightened nervous system state due to the fact that that prepares you for what it says in the name fight and flight.

1:05:38

Because when your tissues are tighter, you're more explosive.

That's why people who do explosive sports sprinters, they will never stretch before a Sprint.

They will dynamically move.

There's a difference there through full range of motion, but they will not deliberately, deliberately do these long stretches where they are forcing the body to and their tissue to become long.

1:06:01

Because once you stretch your tissue beyond a certain point, it becomes like sort of loose and, and it stays like that for a period of time.

And if you do not integrate strength with that new range of motion, your brain freaks out.

And what it does to compensate for that, it creates guarding, which is what most people are experiencing these days.

1:06:22

And it tightens up even more as a compensation mechanism.

And so this is what I see all the time with some of my clients because I teach mobility.

I'm like a movement coach, right?

So I, that's like one of my passions is to help people regain their range of motion and their functionality to help them people be be pain free and move well throughout life.

1:06:41

And so I teach them ways to not have to stretch all the time.

And how do we do this?

We need to actually rewire the communication between the brain, the nervous system and the muscle.

And so you're able to communicate to the brain via the muscle.

But if you're showing to the body something extreme or you're forcing a stretch, what's going to happen is your your brain and your nervous system is going to guard that muscle to protect you because it understands that you wouldn't.

1:07:07

You haven't earned the range, you have forced the range.

So once you how do we actually earn the range is by exercising and moving our body through full range of motion with intention and control.

And control is a synonym for strength.

1:07:23

So when you move with strength through full range of motion, let's take an example, a deadlift, right straight leg deadlift so that your knees are pretty straight and you have a nice and straight back.

There's a difference between going all the way down and touching the floor with the bar versus just going halfway down, right?

1:07:41

Well, the other one is good for more hypertrophy focus, going kind of like halfway down.

But going all the way down is better for function and mobility because it's actually mobility which is going to stick because you're telling your body, I'm lifting a certain load under tension and I'm going in this range.

1:08:00

And therefore, I must acquire strength throughout this entire range and show that your body, because you're doing it with intention, that it's safe.

Now the key, that's the keyword safe.

Because if it doesn't feel safe and it feels threatened, you will not acquire that range and you won't get stronger either.

1:08:16

So it's always starting off where your body is at, meeting your body where it's at, and kind of progressively loading the body in through full range of motion, going in and out, not staying in the length.

That's the mistake that most people make when they think about lengthening immobility.

1:08:34

They stay in the length, but your body craves the contraction as well, which is the shortening of the muscle, not only the lengthening.

I really agree with that.

I, it's also interesting to note how we have these deficiencies between our range of motion and our strength.

1:08:50

And like if I were to stand and then try to raise my one leg up on stand on one leg and raise my leg up, you know how far I can raise it with my muscular force versus if you came over, you could pick it up several more inches.

So I have more, more range of motion than I have strength to move through that range of motion.

1:09:09

Whereas if I think of like a professional dancer, maybe she can you through muscular effort pick her leg all the way up over her head.

She has control of that full range of motion.

And what I found, like you said about the bodyguarding, if I'm in a compromised position where I'm pat, I'm into mobility that's beyond my strength.

1:09:28

Not only is that where I can get injured, but that's where my body wants to panic too because like, uh oh, I'm not in control of this anymore.

Yeah.

I'm just kind of curious if that leads to anything for you.

But that's just something I've I've noticed.

Yeah, I mean a lot of people.

I can tell you a personal story of my own.

1:09:44

Why actually understand and share this knowledge now, which I'm sharing with you today?

You know, most people think that oh, if I'm tight, I must stretch more, but like stretching actually only makes the problem worse.

In the past, I used to be very stiff because I only did bodybuilding style training.

1:10:01

I started training when I was 14 years old because I was overweight and obese.

So that's what actually got me, you know, down the path of fitness, you know, nutrition and, you know, circadian health eventually and, and basically I became very tight because I didn't do any kind of functional training.

1:10:18

I didn't do any mobility.

I didn't do any TLC outside of the conventional, you know, lifting.

And so, yeah, I started doing more yoga and stretching.

But then the problem was I became hyper mobile.

I went to the other end because I started doing too much stretching, too much mobility, too much yoga.

1:10:34

I forced my body to become flexible, but now it had a lot of range, which it couldn't control.

And what did that lead to it?

It led to a lot of sensation of tightening, not tightness necessarily in the muscle.

The muscle, I could still pull it and do the thing like do the pose, but it felt tight when I was relaxing.

1:10:55

So there was clearly a subtle contraction occurring in the muscle because it felt unsafe.

And I also experienced a lot of burning sensations in like hip flexors, lower back area, a lot of aches and pains because of stretching too much.

1:11:11

And as soon as I stopped stretching and I started focusing more on just strengthening and moving my body through movement.

So holistic movement, like primal movement, animal flow, moving on all fours, which is incredible for your proprioception by the way, because you're moving on your hands and your feet.

1:11:28

So you're getting that extra proprioceptive input.

You're signaling safety to your nervous system.

So now your body is able to move with more ease and it's restoring how the muscles should be functioning because once you stretch your muscle beyond a certain point, it's like pretty much it's more dysfunctional.

1:11:47

You're less explosive, you're more slow, and that's actually less advantageous as a human being.

You want to be explosive, you want to be fast, you want to be agile, you want to be pain free, you want to be able to move well, and you want to be able to do that all times without having the need to stretch real quick.

1:12:02

So in order to be in the ready states, you have to prime your body to have to own the range through strength.

It's that simple.

You're making me think about.

Tom Meyer's model of the tensegrity of the body.

1:12:20

So for listeners who might not be familiar, a tensegrity structure, something maybe you, you want to look at some images online, but but essentially it's a series of struts and like stretchy cables that create a structure where No2 struts touch each other.

It's sort of like our skeleton is No 2 bones actually touch.

1:12:38

If they do, that's called arthritis.

It's not good, but bones are actually floating inside a connective tissue matrix.

Yes.

And when you said about sprinters before, when I watch those 100 meter sprinters, you know, like the Olympians and you watch them warming up and they're doing a lot of skipping drills where they're bouncing on their tensegrity, correct?

1:13:02

So rather than being like I need to be longer, it's actually holding tension in all the right places so that the body bounces along and has spring to it.

And that's so different than because if I take all of the, you know, it's like when I'm fishing, you know, you've got a fish on the line.

1:13:19

The key is that I don't yank it and I can't give it any slack.

If I give it slack, the fish is off that hook right away.

If I pull too hard, I'm going to pull the hook through.

It's just keeping that perfect amount of tension.

And I feel like that's what's going on in our body.

So like for a big heavy lift, you can't do that without tension in your body.

1:13:39

If I just let all the tension out of my body, I'm going to like break somewhere, give somewhere.

If I try to run, you know, I watch this with people sometimes who try to run.

They're almost, they're so mechanical in it, like almost thinking like, oh, this muscle's supposed to go, then this muscle's supposed to go, then I supposed to do.

1:13:57

And it's all like herky jerky and not coordinated movement like a robot would move, you know, whereas it's actually like bouncing along lines of tension.

You, you know what I mean?

It's, it's coming from that right balance.

So if I'm making things too tight or conversely too loose, I can't hold that integrity in the structure that I need, right?

1:14:16

Something like that.

Correct.

Yes.

And this is like a perfect example.

And what you mentioned about the slack, that's a really, really big deal because when we're thinking about athletic efficiency, anybody who is playing a sport, OK, let's let's rewind that up.

Most people train because they want to burn calories.

1:14:34

That's the wrong way approach.

You know, when you are, you know, approaching exercise, you should be exercising to improve many aspects of athleticism and skill.

And as we mentioned, you burn more calories if you build more muscle or you increase your total daily energy expenditure.

1:14:49

What you should be aiming for in exercise is athletic efficiency.

So how do we achieve efficiency is by not wasting energy.

And how do we not waste energy is by removing slack from the system.

We don't want to be too tight or too loose.

Like you mentioned.

When a system is efficient, it's able to run as fast as possible with wasting the least amount of energy.

1:15:10

And that is the goal.

That was always the goal for human beings because if you can waste, it's the least amount of energy, that means you can survive and cut your food.

And so if you can survive and cut your food, it's a big win because then you can live another day and you can do it all over again.

So this is what this is what our aim should be through lifting as well, finding the right tension through lifts, eliminating slack, not rushing things, being intentional with the way that we do things.

1:15:35

And our breath is at the center, sits at the center of our tensegrity system.

So, but when you look at a lifter, for example, or a power lifter who's doing a massive squat or a deadlift, they're going to like suck the air right down into their belly, right?

They're pushing their diaphragm down.

1:15:51

They're creating that intra abdominal pressure, which is, you know, the core, like the cylinder, right?

Like a can.

And so the can cannot be crushed because it's filled with air.

But as soon as the air starts going out at the wrong time of the lift, you start to crush the can.

1:16:08

And now you put pressure on structures of the body, on joints and muscles.

And that's where you get injured.

That's where you they hurt, you know, a ligament or a tendon.

Yeah, man, and anywhere there's that Slack we were talking about, that's the energy leak, right?

1:16:25

That's the hole in the balloon where everything kind of leaks out on you and you start to come apart.

Hey, while we're on this topic of of sort of of lifting and tension, something I wanted to bring up was I, you know, looking through your Instagram account, I saw that you and I were both onto throwing patterns, you know, and it's something I want to talk about because I see that it's just sorely missing in the, you know, you go into a gym here in the States, we just have these massive Globo gyms, you know, and you go into them and they have every imaginal piece of equipment except nothing to train a throwing pattern.

1:17:03

So again, to that robot model, everybody's pushing, they're pulling, you know, they're pressing all the time and they're squatting, but but they're always moving in that sagittal plane and they're never really getting the torsion.

And one thing that I found from lifting, I started lifting as a teenager and it wasn't long until if you asked me to throw a baseball, like it would physically hurt me to try to do I, I and I noticed it too, from casting a fishing rod as a throwing motion.

1:17:37

You know, all hunting essentially used to be right, because it was throwing something.

It could be a spear, could be an add a ladle can be a fishing rod, whatever it is, But that's not we don't train that.

And then to do that, you know, you see a lot of specialized equipment.

1:17:52

So the club bell, the Mace bell, the Bulgarian bag, the kettle bell can be used that way.

The the rope for rope flow.

And it seems like people are just starting to kind of wake up to there's been this not I don't want to, I want to make sure I don't understate this.

1:18:13

The most significant, important movement that the human does, which is basically like link that like left foot to right arm, right foot to left arm across in a transverse way with rotation at the at the core and at the shoulder.

1:18:31

It's just like missing from it.

And So what you have are all these people who are carrying this load of muscle mass that actually is super dysfunctional.

And it's very funny when you watch.

I want to give props to those wrestlers who are like super jacked, steroid bodybuilder looking guys that are athletic because there is a contingent of them.

1:18:51

But for the most part, big jacked people move really badly if you ask them to do anything athletic because they don't have the fundamental athletic patterns.

They just have push, pull, yes squat, yes hinge.

I mean, that's just like 1 directional movement.

1:19:07

And that's the issue because the patterns your body like optimizes for what you do most.

So if you're going to do only these one directional patterns up, down, forwards and backwards, then your body is going to get really good at that and it's going to get rid of, you know, you know that saying use it or lose it, right?

1:19:24

Your body like starts to de prioritize things and neural connections that are it doesn't use often and it starts to prioritize the ones that you do most often.

And so in order for you to keep your brain sharp and also to keep your movement, you know, sharp, you need to practice this rotational movement, which you talked about through maces, club bells, rope flow, kettle bells.

1:19:45

Like you can do that with some dumbbells as well.

You can use dumbbells for, you know, rotational stuff as well, and cables as well as you just need to know what you're.

What you're doing?

Yeah.

And so, yeah, landmine for the barbell is great, actually.

Yes, exactly.

1:20:00

I love.

I'm pretty sure you're aware of Landmine University.

Do you know them?

Yeah, they're fantastic.

Yeah.

Because that guy.

I haven't.

I haven't trained with those folks, but I'm, I am seeing a lot of that.

And you know, I have to say, I love one of the things that I like that we do in CrossFit is Olympic lifts versus just power lifts.

1:20:19

So we also Olympic lift, which are, you know, your snatch and your clean and they generate so much power at the hip.

But barbells just destroy me.

I'm just too asymmetrical at this point, too many injuries.

So I don't like to, to do power movements with a bar.

1:20:36

I mean, I wish I could, I just don't.

But on the landmine now I can do them functionally.

I can build that, you know, just like a kettlebell swing.

I can still get that explosive hip extension that keeps power in my system as I age without having the damage to my shoulders and hips that I get from being locked into the barbell.

1:20:55

That's the issue, right?

Like when you have these muscular imbalances or the foundation like you know, whether you are aware of it or unaware of it is off.

You know, if left and right side is not working equally, that is one of the dangers of using something which is fixed to like a machine or a barbell or a Smith machine, because you can't be like wearing things out over time and eventually it will lead to injury and aches and pains.

1:21:18

And yeah, and This is why I love to train this stuff because I my training specifically is just primarily body weight training.

So high volume calisthenics, pull ups, rings, dips, resistance bands, kettle bells and all this kind of stuff.

1:21:35

I don't train inside a gym at all because I want to optimize my biology as much as possible.

And I train outside in the sun.

And so because we are actually designed to train outdoors, grounded, you know, barefoot to the earth if we can.

Of course, I'm not trying to make people feel like you need to have the perfect environment to train, but it's the most ideal environment where we have evolved to do this type of stuff.

1:21:57

It also improves your blood flow because UV light, UVA light specifically, it stimulates nitric oxide production.

So a vessel dilates your blood vessels and it delivers more oxygen to your tissues.

And it also improves your cardiovascular fitness because if your blood is able to move better, you're able to receive more oxygen.

1:22:15

And so, yeah, and also shifts you more into a parasympathetic state between your sets as well, because the outdoor environment really harmonizes your nervous system state.

But going back to what we were saying about the different tools, I don't want to miss this because this is very important about the fascial system.

1:22:33

The fascial system is so crucial, right?

This is what we talk about when we talk about removing slack.

Because the fascial system, which is the connective tissue system of the body, the triple Helix collagen network, which also carries water through it and communicates throughout the entire body.

1:22:52

You know, biophotons, photons at the speed of light it sends, you know, your, your, your nervous system and your fascio system.

They are one system.

They work together, it's integrated, they're interwoven like so there's nothing separate.

And people need to think about the fascio system sort of like a webbing on an orange, which is like, you know, it's not the juice of the orange.

1:23:15

The muscle is the juice and the webbing is the fascial system.

So it holds everything together.

And the muscle doesn't do anything without the fascial system.

And so you need to have a specific tension.

Can I?

Can I?

Jump in on to on that.

Let me, let me just say this too, if people are familiar with this, if you open the orange, the whole interior of the under the skin is wrapped in that white fascial material.

1:23:37

But then you've got all of the segments of the oranges and they're each compartmentalized.

But then if you peel those away, there's all those little segments inside and they're all wrapped in that.

And that's because every muscle fiber is in connective tissue, then all the bundles of fiber in connective tissue, then they're bundled together into groups, then that's bundled together into muscles and those continue on to become ligaments and eventually tendons.

1:24:02

And then all of that's connected to the subcutaneous layer of this connective tissue.

So I mean, this is like you're not exaggerating.

In fact, the orange is almost like a dumbed down version of House.

Incredibly networked.

We are with this stuff, right?

1:24:17

Yes, and, and, and, and if you think about the fossil system like a sheet on a bed as well, when you pull one end of the sheet, it's going to impact the whole sheet.

And so This is why if you have tightness in one specific muscle of your body, let's say in your calf, it can affect the back of your neck because the fascia system has a limited range.

1:24:36

And so you're going to imagine you're tightening the sheet somewhere, it's going to impact the entire sheet.

It's going to throw your balance off.

So why do we actually want to train these rotational movement patterns?

Because you unify the muscle with the fascia system.

You're training the fascia with the muscle, not separate.

1:24:55

When you do intentional lifts, you're sort of training the muscle without considering the fascial system, without considering the elasticity or the full function or the full expression of the fascial system.

So your body is actually designed to rotate.

1:25:11

Everything is spiraling within the body.

When you look at the fascial slings or the fascial trains, as Thomas Myers talks about, is you have these trains of the fascial system.

He calls them trains, but I call, I call them lines, right?

Or slings, because you have, for example, wrapping under your feet, it goes all the way around your calf, it spirals into your inner thigh, it goes into your hip, it goes to your lower back, and then it crosses in front of your body and goes to your shoulder.

1:25:39

So you're, you're, it's literally like a spiral and you have multiple of these.

I think it's seven different fascial lines in the body.

And together they create what we call the tensegrity system, which is what holds you up together.

And so this is like the most standing should be the most efficient thing to do.

1:25:56

And so when people you know are leaning forward because of like poor posture, because of, you know, habits, behaviors, phone use and all this kind of stuff, then you are literally taxing certain tissues of the body or overloading certain tissues.

You're doing the exact same thing with conventional training.

1:26:13

You're taxing and overloading certain tissues if you don't express your fascial system to the fullest.

And So what I challenge people to do is if you train conventionally, you can train unconventional, unconventionally as well.

So you can be very muscular, but you can also be functional.

1:26:31

And my definition of functional is to be athletic, to move well, to be pain free, to be agile and mobile.

That's my definition of functional.

So you can have both.

It's not either or.

A lot of people think, well if you if you want to be muscular, you can't be functional.

1:26:48

Well if you train both, yes, of course there are some limitations to your ability to do certain positions and certain things.

But if you train it the ability to move well, you will be able to move well.

But it's just important to put it into your weekly practice, as serious as your conventional training.

1:27:06

Some of these guys out there now in Sema comes to mind in the flow world.

So jacked, yes, but so athletic and mobile or Juji Mufu, I'm so jacked, so mobile he's in.

So it is possible to be that hybrid.

I also wanted to say, you know, and I'm sitting down with Tom Myers actually next week.

1:27:25

He lives in the same state as me.

So great guy.

Just I love this guy.

I haven't talked to him in a few years.

So if if after you have any questions for, you know, forward them along to me.

But one of the things I love about the club bell, the Mace, the Bulgarian bag, the kettlebell is when you're ballistically swinging it, you're putting tension on to the connective tissue, lines of connective tissue and they're getting stretched and swung.

1:27:52

Whereas if I'm just like bicep curling or bench pressing, like you said, the the Fosch is not really doing anything and I'm just contracting motor units versus there are times like in the kettlebell swing, once I in once I explode through my posterior chain, there's no muscular effort going on.

1:28:11

I'm just following the kettle bells ballistic arc.

But that little bit of stretch is obviously communicating to my body to strengthen connective tissue, right and to lay down new fibers.

So that's something that is really lacking in how most people are training, especially if you're just using machines at the gym.

1:28:30

I mean, again, like if you're my 82 year old mother-in-law, like by all means, I want you to just please just do That's fine.

I don't care if you're just doing the machines.

I'm happy that you're training.

But for those of us who are trying to really optimize some how we're training and carry that forward into old age especially, that's what I'm thinking about now.

1:28:47

It's like I want my connective tissue to be robust and not tearing and coming apart all the time.

Because you see people, it's like they're dematerializing because they never trained that stuff.

They've been dematerializing.

I love that word.

But you know, the perfect example for this is if you can lift like 100 kilos on a calf race.

1:29:05

So let's say £200 on a calf race and then you put that same individual to do an alike an athletic jump where they're just literally like bouncing once off the floor and you're asking them to go as high as possible.

Well, if they use muscle to do that and they don't use like connective tissue, they're very easily going to injure their muscle because the connective tissue is responsible for storing mechanical energy and also the electrons that we talked about.

1:29:33

Because the fat, you know, the fatal system is, you know, a fluid filled system as well.

So if that's if that system is dehydrated due to artificial blue light constantly training a specific tissue and muscle in a specific way and not hydrating enough, it's more injury prone.

1:29:49

And so like connective tissue is more prone to snapping when you don't train these athletic movements because you the more you train them, as you mentioned, you're layering down more connective tissue, more collagen, you're strengthening the tissues.

So tissues get stronger the more that we use them.

1:30:06

Use it or lose it.

But then again, the hydration is super important and that is occurring from the sunlight.

So sunlight is key for hydration throughout the entire body and the fascial system and of course sleep.

You need to optimize those two things together because light and dark, circadian rhythms, hydration, it's, it's all connected.

1:30:26

OK, I, I want to go through your like list of tips would be good.

Like how do we, you know, give us your lifestyle tips?

But first I just want to say, cuz it's come up several times here, the difference between externally hydrating yourself, like I'm drinking the bulk water and hydrating myself.

1:30:46

But I'm hearing you saying it's important that you're producing new water from inside.

So the hydration is because like most of the universe is hydrogen, like there's no shortage of hydrogen.

And guess what, if you burn it, the ashes are water, right?

1:31:05

Because burning is oxidizing.

So if you can mix hydrogen, you burn hydrogen.

The exhaust is water.

So our body can produce water internally and that water's of a different quality in nature.

It's a, it's actually in a different phase than than the water that we drink.

1:31:24

So I just think that's such a cool idea to like hydrate from within.

I think that's fascinating, but carry us through like what does, what does it look like to put this stuff together?

Are there a list of do's and don'ts that you typically kind of think about?

I think it's important to start with the don'ts because most people are doing too many of the don'ts and once you start getting rid of the don'ts, then the to do's are quite easy.

1:31:49

So so the don'ts are are quite obvious and self clear.

We mentioned them multiple times throughout this episode, which is, you know, minimizing artificial blue light and and artificial blue light specifically inhibits cytochrome C oxidase, which is the 4th enzyme in the mitochondria.

1:32:05

And when it you inhibit that step, you don't produce ATP, but you neither produce cellular water.

So you're actually dehydrating yourself when you're exposed to light.

Yes, probably This is why ages you.

What about?

OK.

Let's say that I get exposed to blue light in the morning versus I get exposed to blue light in the evening.

1:32:27

That seems to me like it would be very different because first thing in the morning, it's blue light that's pouring in through my windows, right?

So I mean, so at that time of the day, is the light from my machines as bad for me as it is before I'm going to bed?

1:32:45

It's less bad, but it's still bad due to the fact that it's not full spectrum because the sun comes with full spectrum with the all colors of the rainbow and they are and everything is counterbalanced.

So for example, we know that UV, you know, can be quite stressing to our DNA, right?

1:33:01

But the cool thing is with the exposure to UV, you actually make vitamin D, but then with that stressful effect, you have the combination of red and infrared light and red and infrared light is responsible for healing, repair, regeneration, all the stuff that red light therapy panels are trying to, you know, give you, right?

1:33:22

That's the whole point of using red light therapy or doing an infrared sauna is actually to get all of the benefits of the red and the infrared light.

And so again, it's always the, the light outside is always balanced.

So you're getting the stressful aspect and the healing aspect, the parasympathetic aspect of of light.

1:33:41

But when you're getting it in isolation and you're getting only a specific slither, which I believe is the 450 nanometers, which is the most stressful part of blue light.

And it's blue light by design, not by accident, because blue light is addictive and we are meant to be addictive, addicted to being outdoors.

1:34:01

Our biology is wired to be addicted to nature.

Screens are blue light by design and all the tech companies know this and that's why every single screen is blue lit and basically artificial blue light dehydrates us.

So we need to minimize that as much as possible.

1:34:17

Don't look at your phone first thing in the morning.

Get outside.

So that's like one don't and one do.

So get outside in the morning.

As soon as you wake up, try and wake up with the sunrise or pre sunrise, open your windows and just look up at the sky.

You don't need to look at the sun directly to get the benefits to start your metabolism, to entrain your circadian rhythm and to optimize your biology because as I said, circadian rhythms are the foundation of our health.

1:34:44

Then the next thing would be is to minimize artificial blue light after sunset.

I think this is critically important in a modern world that we're living in right now.

Blue light blocking glasses are a non negotiable because you have blue light everywhere.

It's on on in the cars.

1:35:00

It's in your fridge, it's in your.

Day are you wearing them?

How much of the day are you wearing them?

How?

How much of the day?

Yeah.

Like how much of the, how much of the day do you have those on?

And do you have any concern that they could be blocking anything important like for instance?

Yeah, like, I mean, obviously sunglasses themselves I'm very skeptical of.

1:35:19

I own sunglasses.

I very rarely, I use them to fish in or if I'm like driving and I'm going to die if I don't wear them.

But otherwise, I'm pretty sure that they're damaging, not only damaging my eyes, but blocking important light frequencies that I need.

So I wonder about that because I see people in those so much.

1:35:36

And you can imagine over the years I've been sent 1000 pairs of those and I just never really use them.

So I want to give you a chance to sell me on this.

So you only want to use it only when you're looking artificial blue light or when you're under artificial blue light.

If you're outside and the natural blue light from the sun, you should never be wearing them because the blue light from the sun is meant to entrain your circadian rhythm.

1:35:57

Every time when you're outdoors, it's like a timing queue.

It's giving a signal to your, your brain, OK, it's this time of the day, it's this time of the day.

This time is keeping your body on track.

And you know very well that your body has every single tissue in your body has its own clock and it does specific thing at a certain time of the day.

1:36:15

And if you throw off the master clock, which is in the brain behind the eyes, you throw off all the other clocks, which is the peripheral clocks.

And so if you throw those off, then your metabolic health declines, your insulin sensitivity declines, your leptin sensitivity declines, your ability to heal and regenerate is non existent.

1:36:36

And then you age faster because that is basically what aging is, is when your clock is out of sync.

And when your clock is In Sync, then you are able to preserve your age or even reverse your age.

This is why connection with nature is a non negotiable.

And this is how we help to build this exclusion zone water that we talked about.

1:36:56

Grounding is vital for the exclusion zone water.

It provides electrons from the earth to you know the connective tissue of your body, your Fascio system and your sweat glands.

They are absorbing the electrons through your sweat glands and then you're funneling it through your Fascio system to throughout the rest of your body.

1:37:15

And you this exclusion zone water that you have is storing that free energy that you just gathered from the how you.

Charge the battery.

You charge it, yeah, and you create.

You create as well.

Of easy water.

So in other words, those free electrons that we always hear, you can get through the ground?

1:37:31

Yes, by ground sounding, yes, those electrons.

And obviously you know it doesn't have to be your feet.

You can touch the ground with your hands or sit on it with your butt, right?

But but when you're in contact with the ground, electrically free electrons I've always heard come into your body.

But what I hadn't heard before was that they store in the easy water the way when you plug your phone in, electrons are storing in the lithium ion battery.

1:37:54

Yeah, because this concept that we call charge or voltage like every single like you know, cell, I'm pretty sure you've heard of this before as well.

That runs on a specific voltage and when it drops, when that voltage drops, that's when we experience things like cancer or you know, think non desirable things in the body because your body needs a specific charge and voltage.

1:38:14

And if that drop, so you don't have the adequate charge that your body cannot run its processes anymore.

And that's when dysfunction actually takes place.

So you want to combine obviously grounding, if you're outdoors grounding, you're going to be exposed to satellite most likely, right, if you're outdoors.

And that is actually charging and increasing your water battery now.

1:38:34

So it's expanding the exclusion zone.

So the red and the infrared light specifically, it targets the cytochrome C in your mitochondria.

So it does the opposite of blue light.

It flips the switch.

So you get blue light from the sun, which is going to turn off the cytochrome C, but then it's going to switch it back on with the red and the infrared.

1:38:56

And so your mitochondria keep making energy without you even needing to put food in your system.

This is basically how you get energy from the sun.

Once light strikes your skin, melanin takes the photons and it splits them and it splits the water molecule underneath your skin into oxygen, hydrogen, and electrons.

1:39:18

So you literally split the water molecule.

So melanin is in your skin is not only from protecting you from burning, but it's also for harvesting free energy from the sun.

And because we split the water molecule, now we have more of this free energy, but we're also expanding the exclusion zone water because we're exposed to the red and the infrared, but anything that is generating internal red and infrared light from the mitochondria also produces exclusion zone water.

1:39:48

So what would that be?

That would be movement, that would be exercise.

That would be like infrared sauna, that would be regular sauna, anything that is a heat.

So a fireplace, for example, is an incredible place way to charge and to expand your exclusions on water and take care of your fascial health.

1:40:06

So imagine like all of these things that I said are like none of that is including like exercise or, you know, trying to like force your body to do something.

You're taking care of your hydration and your fascial system.

By being in connection with your natural environment.

1:40:23

And so the second thing which is the don't which I want people to do especially is to distance themselves from non-native electromagnetic fields.

And why these are such a problem is because they induce a calcium influx into the cells and the calcium influx is causing contraction.

1:40:44

You know that when when calcium flows into muscle, it causes muscle contraction.

Magnesium is the opposite of that causes muscle relaxation.

That's why we take magnesium because too many people are stressed these days and we're depleting magnesium because we're constantly contracting the system which is depleting our magnesium levels.

1:41:02

So we're burning through our minerals faster.

And This is why I said earlier that you should be consuming high quality ocean full spectrum ocean minerals which have, you know, all the different minerals, not just sodium like some electrolytes have and shilajit because shilajit is a herbal mineral substance.

1:41:21

OK, so Shilajit, Shilajit, I understand you know how to access that the ocean minerals, what form are you taking those in?

Well, there are many brands which have like a vast amount of minerals.

So instead of having like just the 3/4 minerals like electrolytes have, which is typically like sodium, potassium, magnesium and like maybe chloride or something like that, then it has like 758590, you know, minerals matching what what's in the sea because the sea and your blood are almost identical in terms of mineral composition.

1:41:55

And so in order to actually get the most benefit from hydration, because people think if they drink water, it hydrates them.

But if your body is lacking minerals, that water goes straight through you.

And especially if you filter your water like reverse osmosis and you remove everything from there, which is including all the bad stuff, all the good stuff as well, the minerals that you need, then you need to re mineralize it.

1:42:18

Otherwise that will strip the minerals out of your body from your bones.

It's going to, you know, demineralize your body.

It's not ideal.

It's OK for some cleansing periods, but you shouldn't do it chronically.

And you need to re mineralize it in order for your body to actually retain the water that you drink.

1:42:35

And it doesn't expel it because you know, the only thing that holds on to water is salt or minerals.

Yeah, it's funny when you look at a bottle of here in the States, like Aquafina and Dasani, I think those are the Coca-Cola and Pepsi's RO water.

1:42:51

You know, they produce it locally because they'll use the tap water, filter it, but they inject mineral ions back into it.

And if you look on the back, it'll say for taste because like you can tell when water's been demineralized, it's tastes terrible and it's not hydrating.

1:43:07

Yeah, I mean, you can feel it on your teeth immediately.

Like I instantly get a bit of a, like it almost feels like sharp on the teeth because it literally starts to break down your minerals instantly.

Like because minerals are attracted or that water is attracting minerals, right?

1:43:24

So if any minerals you put in, it's going to disperse.

And this is what you're trying to do is you're trying to create an equilibrium before you put it inside of your body so it doesn't strip your own body.

But going back to the non-native EMF's real quick.

So to make it a bit more practical for people, try and put your phone on airplane mode when you don't need it, for example.

1:43:43

That is like the easiest way to minimize your non-native electromagnetic field exposure.

Distance yourself from cell towers as much as you can.

Try and just be outside.

It's getting hard.

I know, I know, it's getting hard hard.

The thing is the inverse square law which is like how close you are to the source of radiation is what determines how damaging it is and also the duration and the intensity of the exposure.

1:44:11

So this is like your your biggest hack when you're trying to mitigate non-native BMF.

Of course it's getting harder and harder to distance yourself away from it, but if you're grounded, you're also getting rid of a lot of the accumulated voltage and stress which is coming in your system.

1:44:28

You're right.

You're the suggestion about putting the phone on airplane mode.

One of the things I noticed is now when you put your phone on airplane mode, you have to manually take off the Wi-Fi, take off the Bluetooth take up there.

You know what I mean?

It used to just shut all the signals off.

1:44:44

It's getting harder and harder.

The devices are becoming more ubiquitous.

The towers are everywhere.

All the appliances are talking constantly.

Yeah.

You know, everybody's, everything is just getting, you know, smart everything.

I just.

It's it's getting challenging, right?

1:45:01

Everything's putting out blue light.

It's amazing to me.

You, you know, when you get it into a hotel room or you get a new appliance and it's just got a permanent blue light that just supposed to stay on all the time.

And it's so mind numbing to me that this stuff is everywhere.

But but I agree.

1:45:16

And I like what you said about, you know.

How?

Powerful, even a little bit of distance from these devices is because, you know, I, I was watching a girl yesterday and she had on a big oversized hoodie and she had her phone in there and it just sitting right on her uterus in the little pocket of her hoodie, you know, and just like, man, yeah, people just don't think about it where they're putting that thing.

1:45:37

I know it's just it's even written inside of the the terms and conditions or in the settings.

If you go to the about of the phone, in every single phone there is a warning and it says to you to to keep it 10 centimeters away from your body.

But it you know, we're obviously holding it as well in the hand, right?

1:45:53

It's indirect contact with the hand that's a big problem.

But of course, in the sensitive tissues like the brain, like the, you know, the reproductive organs, the heart, if it's close to those organs, it can be very, very dangerous.

And I know many people who have gotten real big issues like cancers and all kinds of things by keeping their phones, you know, you know, taking a lot of phone calls or putting, putting it in their pocket, for example, and stuff like that.

1:46:18

So it's a really big issue just because it disrupts the cellular mechanism because you're constantly stressing the system out.

It's just the exact same thing as why stress is bad.

It's just another stressor in your bucket.

And unfortunately, it's a really big stressor in our world today.

1:46:35

And it's a really big issue because it's invisible and most people still think it's kind of like woo woo stuff, but everybody feels it.

Everybody acknowledges that when you use your phone, when you use your laptop, when you use a screen, you feel more stressed.

But it's not necessarily only what's on the screen, but it's actually what it's producing, what is emitting to you.

1:46:55

So it's the non-native EMF, it's the artificial blue light.

And if you're exposed to that more often, your resilience goes down.

So that means you get sicker more often, your ability to recover decreases, your risk of injury increases in exercise, you become more dehydrated, your performance decreases, your ability to build muscle declines, your ability to lose body fat decreases.

1:47:16

You actually might even increase your body fat because your body is stressed all the time.

So it's so important to mitigate this and to minimize, you know, turn your Wi-Fi off at night, put your phone as far away from your bed as you can in another room if you don't want to turn it off again.

1:47:31

Like respecting that inverse square law and, you know, obeying the laws of nature because we're designed to be connected to the native electromagnetic field of the earth, which is around 7.83 Hertz, which like matches the, you know, the hearts electromagnetic field and also the brain electromagnetic field.

1:47:53

And when all of those 3 align, you have perfect coherence.

And that's when your nervous system is, is operating most optimally.

And that's when you can really feel like you're thriving.

This is why people feel their best when they're on holiday.

They're getting a lot of sunlight, they're getting a lot of grounding.

1:48:10

They're having a lot of sex.

They're eating good food.

They're sleeping more.

They are more optimizing their coherence and their biology.

And they're doing what humans are meant to do, right?

And so this is this is the way.

It's almost like they want you sick, man.

1:48:28

It is.

It's by design, brother.

So what are our list of Do's?

So the list of news is again, like starting from the beginning is get the sunlight, get the grounding, get your, you know, respect your sleep, your the night and dark cycle.

1:48:47

Use your blue light blocking glasses, yellow ones only when you're looking at screens and under artificial lights and red ones after sunset strictly because everybody has some form of blue light in their home.

Even if you have the most circadian friendly home, there is one silly device somewhere that is emitting some annoying blue light.

1:49:07

And just that tiny amount of blue light is sufficient to signal to your brain that it's daytime and suppress melatonin production.

And we know melatonin is not just a sleeping hormone, it's one of your most powerful anti cancer and regeneration hormones in the body.

1:49:23

So it's responsible for autophagy, repair, regeneration, detox your body and your brain cannot cleanse itself if you do not go into deep and restorative sleep.

And that's only be able to happen if you have high enough pineal melatonin.

And did you know that the body actually produces cellular melatonin in exposure to red and infrared light?

1:49:45

So that means that your body is meant to get melatonin 24/7.

And most people are disrupting the process in both ways during the day.

They're not getting outside and they have artificial blue light at night.

So that means you're never getting pineal melatonin and you're never getting cellular melatonin.

1:50:02

So what do you get as a result from that?

You get increased aging, damaged cells, and you know the C words that I just mentioned earlier.

It's fascinating how you'd think you would.

1:50:18

I mean, you and I don't think this, but you'd almost expect that there'd be all this health technology that would be superior.

But what we keep finding is it's like, no, it's the ancestral stuff.

It's just always the stuff that would have naturally happened to you and that every departure from that just seems to be a problem.

1:50:37

And I, I worry about the technologies because what unforeseen consequences do they have?

You know, or you know, recently I was sent a device from Europe they wanted me to test that was for checking your heart rate variability.

1:50:53

And it's kind of like a wearable, but you only need to wear it for 3 minutes.

You got to wear it for three minutes when you, I'm not going to say names, but they want you to wear it when you wake up.

And the problem is to do it, you have to have your phone.

And so now, you know, I tried it for three days and then I was like for five days or whatever I needed to get that baseline.

1:51:15

And then I was like, I just can't.

I don't keep my phone in the room.

I don't want to touch my phone when I wake up.

I don't want my phone to be just so that the thing can tell me that I don't feel good when I'm like, I know I feel good.

Like, yeah, or I do feel good if I, you know, it's like I don't need a device to tell me how I feel.

1:51:33

And I definitely don't need that device to make me get on my phone first thing in the morning.

This just makes no sense.

And so I find that that I have an infrared sauna.

It's great, but you know, I feel even better when I'm in front of my fireplace.

So it's so interesting how all this tech can can be beneficial to mitigate problems created by tech, but it's never superior to the real thing.

1:51:58

So it's like I, I worry that we create tech to solve problems.

Tech creates that creates new problems.

So you've got to create and you just keep stacking stuff.

And sometimes it's like you just be so much better off to just go naked out in the sun and move around a little bit than to do all of these things.

1:52:14

And so I appreciate that after everything we've talked about, it all just kind of came back to the same kind of basic principles we all know and we all feel best when we do.

Foundational principles.

And This is why I like circadian health is foundational because it's tied to nature.

1:52:31

Like nature is cyclical in right, It goes in a cycle.

You have air every single day.

The sun rises every single day, the sunsets, thankfully, right, like that.

We hope that it does every day.

And then we get to live another day.

And every single evening when we sleep, it's like a reset button for our biology.

1:52:47

So sleep is not just so you don't feel tired, it's so you heal, repair, regenerate, detoxifying, come back like better than before if you know, if you're optimizing your biology.

So yeah, nature just optimizes every living Organism.

And when you are in alignment with that, you are thriving.

1:53:04

And when you remove yourself from that, that's when disease begins to manifest.

Obviously there are levels to this levels of resilience.

Nature makes your book, your resilience book.

It's bigger so you can tolerate more modern day stressors and modern life small.

1:53:22

It makes your book it smaller and piles you more stressors.

So it overflows.

And what do you get when it overflows?

All kinds of like autoimmune conditions, diseases, diabetes, like blood pressure, you know, you get everything that you know today.

Almost Neolithic diseases are due to a modern lifestyle.

1:53:37

You put a person back into nature and you an ancestral diet which is pull a pulsed and cyclical in nature, not like the carnivore diet or the vegan diet.

You eat everything like together in full spectrum.

Just like you receive full spectrum of light, you need to receive full spectrum nutrition.

1:53:54

That's the way that you actually thrive.

Yeah, I love what you just said.

I love everything you just said.

And and that idea of cyclical because you could chart it like a sine wave.

So obviously it's like sunrise, then noon, then sunset, then midnight.

And that's just the sine wave or the temperature.

1:54:11

You talked about how, you know, the mornings start off cool and then they warm up and then you get peak and, and so everything can be charted like a sine wave.

And that's what the ground we walk on should be this way.

And then flat line we all associate with death, but then we we seek a flat line in temperature, we seek a flat line in light exposure, we seek a flat line and everything that we're doing.

1:54:33

And it's like it's so obvious that that's the way of death, you know?

And what you're talking about is the way of life.

But all right, so tell us all the things.

How do we connect with you?

How do we follow your work?

How do people work with you if they want to?

Where do they find you?

All those kind of things.

I just want to say thank you so much for having me on and I really enjoyed this conversation.

1:54:50

I'm really glad that we went down the rabbit holes of circadian health and nature in general, and we started off on the mitochondria because I wasn't expecting that our conversation was going to begin on in that way.

I was like fully prepped that we're going to start talking about mobility from the get go.

1:55:06

So I was really happy that you went like you.

We went really, really deep, you know, because this is the stuff which controls our biology and which optimizes, you know, how we feel every day.

You know, none of this information matters.

All that matters is like how you feel every day and how you feel is determined of your connection with nature or your lack of connection with nature.

1:55:26

So that's the message that I want to live leave people with so people can find me like through my podcasts.

As Daniel said at the beginning, Fitness Wisdom Podcast is on YouTube and also on Spotify and my primary website, rightnowispatreon.com/fitness.

1:55:42

With the podcast, you can connect with me on there, connect with the like minded community and tribe who shares like, you know, topics and ideas like this.

I write blogs and health optimization protocols.

I share like my own personal programs on there that you can get access to.

1:56:01

You can get access to workouts, mobility routines, which consider your brain and your nervous system.

So we're not like doing passive stretching.

We're only doing dynamic stretching or moving with intention and through full range of motion.

So and also all the social media channels as well.

1:56:17

So that's like Instagram.

Andreas under score David under score Christu.

And is there anything else that that's that's pretty much it.

People can find me through those main platforms.

Thank you so much, Daniel.

Oh man, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you.

I'd love to have you back on sometime.

1:56:33

It seems like there's more stuff we could talk about.

So I really enjoyed this and it seems like we're on parallel paths, man.

So really happy that you came today.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much brother and I would love to do it again.