What if UFOs, hauntings, and other paranormal phenomena aren't separate mysteries, but different expressions of the same underlying intelligence?
In this fascinating conversation, religious demonologist and preternatural philosopher Nathaniel Gillis challenges conventional thinking about high strangeness. He explores the possibility that many encounters are less physical than they appear — manifesting instead through consciousness, perception, and what he calls "the phenomenon."
Together, Daniel and Nathaniel examine the blurred boundaries between UFOs, apparitions, and interdimensional entities, unpacking ideas like consciousness manipulation, parasitic intelligence, and the hidden forces that may shape human experience. If the phenomenon is more illusion than object, what does that mean for disclosure, spirituality, and our understanding of reality itself?
This episode invites you to question the nature of perception, consciousness, and the unseen forces that may be influencing both.
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Nathaniel Gillis is a religious demonologist and author. After living in a haunted house, Nathaniel spent 20 years researching what it was he encountered. Nathaniel is the founder of Preternatural Epiphenomenal Philosophy. Nathaniel has sought to redefine the nature of haunting phenomena, ghosts and high strangeness. He's often quoted for his concept of the demonic. "The reason they are playing by different rules is because they are playing a different game."