Daniel Vitalis
Health Motivator and Longevity Strategist

“Hunter Safety?” ~ Why I am not a Vegan

“How have I come to be here” I asked myself as a late March Saturday slips by, the 3rd and final day of the Maine Hunter Safety class. What a long and unlikely story it is, and as I reflect over all that has transpired, I feel deeply honored to be here.  Let me explain…

I grew up in a little college town in Southern New Hampshire and no one ever exposed me to hunting. It would be more appropriate to say no one ever exposed me to food. I grew up in a strange distortion of the cookie cut mold of the lower middle class of New England.  We ate “food” from the supermarket, and did what our doctors told us to.

Our dinners were Kraft macaroni and cheese and Hamburger Helper.  Brands of foods but not really types of food.  After all, they were really just made of a few things… ultimately corn and soy.  Or animals raised on corn and soy.  Or animals raised on corn soy and each other.

We ate these animals and drank their milk too.  Homogenized and Pasteurized, two words I grew up with but couldn’t have defined. We drank the chemical digestive aids, called sodas, cans of phosphoric acid to “wash down” the  industrial age food that we had eaten. Antibiotics were administered regularly to prevent the outbreak of plague within the confines of our over-populated school.

I, like so much of my generation, was a factory farmed human in turn of the century America.

But this was all to change….

My first experience with Vegetarianism took place when I was just a boy, probably age 10 or 11… It didn’t last long, maybe a week or so, but I was deeply drawn to it.  There was something about the concept, and of what it communicated, that spoke to me.  It was something about taking a stand for the value of life,  something about caring…  I was then too young to articulate it but I could sense the importance of my food choices and how they are about so much more than just feeding ourselves. I came to know that our food choices are about who we are and how we live, together, on this planet.

By age 15 I had developed the independence necessary to make my own dietary choices.  A friend and role model had re-introduced me to vegetarianism, tofu (it was still a ‘health’ food then) and juicing…  I was heavily influenced but not totally changed.

Another year goes by and I got my first real job working at Wendy’s manning the grill.  I had gotten pretty overweight, and was living on fast food.  Literally.  Little did I know then that my entire body was being constructed of corn, soybean, and potato, either as fries, buns and oil, or as factory farmed animals that form the meat portion of the menu…  There was an all-you-can eat salad bar there too…  Consisting of mostly iceberg lettuce and dressings made from the oils of corn, soy, or canola (which means Canadian Oil, and is a trade name for rape seed) oils.

But just then came the light of revelation!  Partly exotic pharmacology (I will let you guess), partly a teenage crush ( I was really self conscious about my weight), and partly destiny… I was ready for change!  I bought a membership to a gym, and overnight I become a vegetarian…. or more appropriately a “Nutritional Vegetarian”.  My choices were based solely on the belief that this was the nutritionally superior diet and nothing more.  Well maybe a little more, as my ego liked it too!

It felt good to be doing something different, something against the grain.  It felt evolved and honorable and even monastic.

Those first few years were confusing…  it was the days of fat free and high carb.  It was the days of soy ‘milk’ and…  well… soy everything (even the so called soy ‘cheese’ and fake ‘meat’). I used to go to the Health Food store which was really just a grain depot with lots of cereals, dried fruits and vitamins. I trusted that everything there was good for my health.

Ooops!

By age 18 I was getting hungry, really hungry, and wasn’t sure what to eat…  And so I decided, rather hesitantly, to begin reintegrating some meats.  This lasted just a week or so and I was feeling guilty, like I had gone back on my vows.  Just then someone handed me a book by the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (strange stuff indeed!) and there was a little section in there about their dietary rules.  It said that they abstained from meat.  This was the confirmation I had been waiting for, so I set out to research more.

These was the early days of the internet, back when you had to listen to that high pitched squeal as you ‘dialed-up’ with a phone line.  I visited the library to use what was then an exotic and uncommon technology. I began researching the Krishna’s which led me to information about Animal Rights and Veganism.  To say I was shocked would be an understatement.  Strangely, after years as a vegetarian, I had never really considered the plight of the animals nor had I thought about the conditions that they were raised in.  I had never seen a or even heard of a factory farm.  The videos of animal slaughter and the cruelty of the farming conditions revolted me.  I vowed then and there to never to participated in this profane carnage again.

To be honest I felt dirty…  contaminated.  I wanted to be absolved and cleansed from the sins of my culture.  And I knew that I would dedicate my life to unraveling this secret to reveal the truth of where our food was coming from.

And so now I was a Vegan.  A “Moral Vegetarian”.

I started spending each and every day at the library, starting with the squeal of the internet dialing, and ending with the “Sir, your time is up” when my hour had gone by. I discovered ‘Raw Foodism’ and felt immediately connected to it, like it was what I had been looking for.  It felt perfect, a combination of ethics and nutrition.  Its Mythos closely mirrored the Christian one I grew up with.  It is the story of a fall from grace.

The  Raw Food Vegan diet says that we once lived in a paradise where there was very little sickness or disease.  That it was cooking that led to our banishment from this Utopia.  Cooking was the proverbial “forbidden fruit” of good and evil that led to our fall from health. The idea was that cooking not only “killed” our food but rendered it toxic with denatured and deranged molecules and deactivated enzymes.

Over the years this toxicity increases (or bio-accumulates) making people sick, and this “toxemia” can only be cleansed by water fasting, juicing, and eating Raw Foods.  With enough cleansing you can be restored to the state of health enjoyed by the human of the golden age, and be free of all that is vile about life. Ultimately we can wash our hands of death altogether, living in a state of purity and moral righteousness, where nothing ever dies to sustain our lives (perhaps plants are not alive?).

I aspired to eat a Frutarian Diet, where not even a plant would die for me to live, where only the fruits and seed of plants would feed me, and I would escape the wheel of Karma to which I had been born a slave. I felt a renewed sense of purpose and set out upon a new adventure.  I was taking the Road Less Traveled  and it was the moral high road, the nutritional high road, and yes, even the world-saving political high road too.

Cooked food was dead food… and you are what you eat.  Therefore eating “Living Food” must lead to more Life Force, and so I would now eat my food as whole and intact as possible. I wanted to be cleansed, and so cleansed I was.  The first three days were like nothing I had ever experienced before.  It was almost psychedelic.  The experience of eating so few calories and eating such light and easily digested food allowed my body to mobilize energy to cleanse itself of industrial, pharmacological and chemical bio accumulated waste.

Many of the old injuries and nagging pains that I had lived with quickly subsided, as my body, with its new surplus of energy, could now focus on some much needed repairs. In what felt like an instant I was changed from a 175 lb muscly athlete (Thanks to that gym membership!  I am 5′5″ so that was a bit stocky) to 145 in just a few weeks, my body burned off tissue, shed water and salt, and cleaned house in ways I never knew possible.  My eyes glistened, I felt light and easy in my body and mind. It was like my need for sleep diminished and I awoke each morning with a kind of excitement and zest for life that I had never known before!

What looked like a bizarre if not dangerous dietary experiment had deeply troubled my friends and family, and really isolated me socially, but it was worth it!  It was like a religion… like a Raw-ligion!

Today I look back in amusement.  I was a radical and even militant raw foodist.  It was the only thing that mattered to me for years.  We were a movement, and the internet was our rallying point!  We marched with the mantra constantly at our lips… “Cooked food is poison!”

Fast forward just over half of a decade… That shiny, energetic feeling had faded and had been fading for years.  My teeth ached and I had recurrent fungal problems.  I was chronically hungry (actually the correct term here is “starving”), and powerfully addicted to fruit sugar.  The more I “learned” about the dangers of food the more foods I cut out of my diet. There was so little left that I “could” eat.  At this time I didn’t eat oils or salt, I didn’t use herbs or spices, just fruits and vegetables…  seeds and nuts… and oh, so many nuts!

Just getting enough calories to stay alive was a struggle.  My digestion was poor and getting worse.  No matter how bad I felt the experts, books and websites of the Raw Food gurus assured me that these were just symptoms of “toxicity”, that soon I would be fully cleansed and would experience the heavenly health that was my birthright.  I believed them.

Then, enter the Superfood movement.

The term isn’t new, but rather a re-emergence of a term from earlier in the 1900’s.  This renewed version was born out of “health food” marketing, and strongly influenced by the Raw Food movement.  I, like so many Raw Food eaters had hit the wall.  We knew there was something missing, we just couldn’t determine what it was.

After all, we were so sure that this was the perfect diet of humanity.  That it was the original diet of our species.  It was perfect in both practice and philosophy.  What else could there be.

The Superfoods came into our community with some suspicion.  Many Fundamentalist Raw Food eaters viewed them as a weakening of our dietary values, and as toxic and even poisonous.  Still, they took hold and spread through our community like a wild fire.  Is poisonous a bad thing?  Check this DVD to hear more about the connection between “poison” and “medicine”

With them came a renewed interest in Herbalism.  This was in direct opposition to the earlier raw foodist beliefs of the 19th and 20th century (then called “Natural Hygiene”), which said that all herbs and spices were toxins (read “sinful”) and exited the appetite as they overstimulated the nervous system.  This created a rift in the RawFood community that split it into factions….

Ha!  It really does read like a cult, right?

I chose to go the way of Superfoods and Herbalism.  It was much more fun, exciting, and far more sustainable.  Actually, for years it was like a party!  With foods like oils (especially coconut oil), and sweeteners (like agave), I now was getting enough calories to sustain a healthy body weight (wanna lose weight fast?  try living on celery. apples, carrots, and almonds), and with herbs I could begin addressing the health concerns that the more rigid Raw Food dogma always blamed on toxicity (this is your fault and you must be cleansed (repent) of your toxicity (sins).

Now, here is a twist in the tale…  Towards the end of my 20’s I had been handed a book by Dr. Weston Price called “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration” (Get it free online here!).  This book had a profound influence on me, and proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was in fact a need for animal food in the human diet.  This was very challenging to embrace, as I had literally crafted my entire identity out of the things that I didn’t eat!

…But the evidence was irrefutable…

Dr. Price had studied the teeth and dental arches of 12 cultures around the world, comparing the teeth of those who had eaten the traditional diets of their people to those who were raised on the modern diet of the West.  We are blessed that this research was done, as today it would be nearly impossible to repeat.  He had shown that our species was degenerating quickly on our modern food, and for reasons that I hadn’t expected.  Not because of toxins, and not because of cooked foods.  In fact, it was because of the inclusion of the poorly grown and highly refined products of agriculture (primarily refined carbohydrates), and the lack of high quality wild or pastured (grass fed) animal foods!

While the book is a must read, even more valuable are the images, which page after page show the teeth and dental arches of both people raised on their indigenous diets and their children who have been raised on the foods of the West.  Of course our own foods have degenerated by orders of magnitude since 1939 when this book was first published!

Remember that teeth are modified bones, and the condition of the teeth and dental arch are a window into the skeletal structure itself, as well as the health of the rest of the body.

This, by the way, is where we get the saying “don’t look a gift horse in the mouth”…  which essentially means that it is rude to examine something closely to see if its good enough when it is a gift freely given. But I digress….

This research was conducted at a time when many of the indigenous and traditional cultures of the world were being rapidly assimilated into our Western mono-culture.  These pictures (of which there are many) show us a comparison of one generation to the next.  Please imagine what the mouths of “modern developed” people here in the West would look like without the use of braces to disguise the reality.  I know it challenges the political correctness of our day, but Weston Price called this “Degeneration”, and with this I must agree.

What an inner turmoil this created for me.  I wanted to act on this new information, but I was so indoctrinated into the beliefs of the Raw Food movement.  I had spent years meeting others, who like me ate Raw Foods.  I had attended workshops and retreats, read every book that I could, and even organized local potlucks.

It was a very difficult thing for me to incorporate.  I began eating raw cheeses and sometimes eggs.  I did this for years though I barely allowed into my awareness.  It was something that I was hiding, not from others, but from myself…  There was a dissonance, two opposing views held within my mind…..  I just couldn’t fully accept it…

I carried on, over the course of a few years, sometimes eating cheeses, then slowly eggs, and eventually even fish.  All the while I still lived amongst and traveled within the Raw Food community…  I was not alone, as many others were doing this as well.

Strangely we all just sort of hid it.  It was treated like a weakness or an indulgence.

Slowly I began to awaken to what was happening.  I began to study chemistry and anthropology.  I began to study wild foods and to harvest medicines from nature.  Over the course of time I was making peace with my need for animal food.

About a year and a half ago I was introduced to the “Primal Diet”…  a diet based heavily on raw meats, as well as the idea of “Traditional Diets” which includes unpasteurized grass fed dairy products…  For the first time I gave myself permission to really begin exploring this.

The premise is that we are a product of the ice age.  It is a diet that is based on anthropology rather than on a Garden of Eden tale of our ancestral diet.  After all, when we look at cave paintings of our ancestors it is images of the hunt that we see.  When we visit the still living “primitives” of today, our window into the past, we find diets largely based on animal foods.  The plants that we grow today are a product of an agricultural lifestyle that is a mere 10,000 years old!  Before this our entire species was hunting and gathering for its subsistence!

It was as if this way of thinking provided the much needed balance to the extreme end of the nutritional spectrum to which I had swung.  By incorporating this information I was able to find an equilibrium, and was able to restore my health.

And so I began to open my worldview, and release the dissonance….  I began to eat animals, and I began to eat them without guilt.

This was a world of difference from the animals I had seen tortured on factory farms that I had seen all those years ago.  These were animals I could meet.  Farmers I could talk to.  Pieces of land that I could visit.

What struck me immediately was that I could actually go to the farms to get my calories.  I live in New England, so my Raw and Superfood Vegan diet had been based almost exclusively on exotic foods shipped all over from distant lands.  There were foods that I could get locally, some fruits and vegetables, but my calories, the stuff that really sustained me, seemed always to come from distant lands!  This was a less than comforting conclusion to reach, and one that most who eat a Raw Food diet are shy about looking at!

Now I could consume calories raised here where I live, sustainably.  This brought me a peace of mind that comforted me almost maternally.  It felt like I had been plugged back into the source, into the Mother Earth herself.

Now I could eat fats and protein that took me out of the blood sugar roller-coaster that I had been trapped in cyclically for so many years. I could finally have the lean body mass that I used too, and maintain the activity level that I knew I was capable of.  And finally, I was releasing the food Raw-ligion that I had bowed to for more than a decade and a half!

Actually, it was like coming back to life.  I don’t mean like waking up, I mean like coming back to the Life-Cycle.  Like leaving a virtual reality and coming back into Nature.  My days of eating the Raw Vegan diet was like living in a fantasy world.  I was totally ignorant of the scheme of life and to my place within it.

Where, after all, was my Raw Vegan food really coming from?  What fertilized the soils for my “organic” produce if not the manure of farm animals?  And if I wanted a truly vegan world, what then would fertilize the soils for my food?  Synthetic NPK derived ultimately from fossil fuels and natural gas…  What pollinated these Organic Vegan produce if not Factory Farmed Bees? Where did I think my food was coming from?  I guess I had not really considered it honestly.

During those last few years I had become very invested in Wild Food and Wild Water.  Through my studies of Herbalism I had created ElixirCraft, and began wild crafting herbs and mushrooms.  I had also become deeply passionate about Wild Spring Water and created Find a Spring.

With the inclusion of meats in my diet it just made sense…  I wanted to eat Wild Meat. I began to receive gifts of Wild Meat from hunters, and fishermen.  Many of the Fishes alvailable in markets are still wild as well, so these became staples.

I had come to the understanding that the bones and teeth of “primitive” Hunter/Gatherer societies are far more sturdy and dense than those of agriculturalists.  And that dental cavities were largely unknown to these so called “savages”.  That the “Natural Foods” we eat today are anything but.  That we are really eating hybrid foods, whether plants or animals, foods bred over the course of centuries, many of which cannot be found in nature anywhere today!

Just this year I was truly moved by the book The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability by Lierre Kieth.  Her story parallels my own in many ways, even down to the encounter with Weston Price’s book.  She laid out so beautifully how Vegetarianism is more than just destructive for our bodies, it is destructive to our eco-system.  Farming is what turned the fertile cresent into a desert, what turned the Nile Valley into sand dunes…  and remember, that was Organic Farming!  They did not have the “Commercial” or “Industrial” farming practices that we do today!

The most powerful conclusion of her book is this…  That the beginning of Adult Wisdom lays in accepting that something must Die for you to Live.  This is universally true for all humans…  We may put many layers of middle-men, of industry, of smoke and mirrors between us and this fact but eventually, to truly mature, we must embrace it.

With this Wisdom I was resolved to hunt my own meat, and to develop the relationship with the animals that this requires.  To see them face to face, from start to finish.

And so, I find myself on a Saturday in Maine, sitting in a Hunter Safety class.  Something I never expected, but I must admit, feels so good.  It is not the romanticized Hunters Initiation I would have dreamed of.  But it is something.  It is a start.  It is the beginning of true food soverinty and relationship to the web of food and cycle of life.

I am grateful to be here, and grateful to those who came before me.  Mostly I am grateful to the animals in body and spirit who give their lives to sustain the ecosystem and those of us who dwell within it.

I am humbled by the many years it took for me to arrive at this place, and the circuitous path I took to get here. And….  I am excited for the ancient Rite of the Hunt.

After the many years I invested as a Raw Food Vegan I cannot deny that I have gained much that is of value.  I learned, what I feel, is one of the true secrets of cleansing, and no doubt an important part of a healing path.  It offered me a path of transformation that I will cherish eternally.

Today I see it as a fast, as a cleanse.  I see it as something to do short term.

And I see it as something beautiful too… But for me its just not a diet to live on.

How about you? ~Daniel

  • Malena
    A very interesting read. I also appreciate "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" as it is such a fantastic historical read on how mankind has leart how to build a truly robust physic and mind...however you need some insights into shamanism, then you will have no difficulties on the thought of thriving on other species flesh.

    I'd like to comment the problem with feeding a 7 billion population with (partly) animal food. In Sweden a 100 or more years ago, a pig could sustain a family for several months, simply becaue all the parts of the animals were used. Though 7 billion is a problem whether on animal or plant food, I think we could do far more with the food we have.

    What is truly amazing is our ability to adapt to different environments, climates and food. And this is not because of us, our bodies, but the enormus amount of bacteria in our gut, more than all of the cells in our bodies, that help us digest the food. So if we try to track the way we should eat via our genes and DNA we would actually have to track the genes of all the various bacteria as well.

    But no matter how much we could research on these tanglible physical facts, that would never be enough. I have an identical twin sister and though we have grown up together and largely have been exposed to the same environment, we thrive on slightly different diets. This isn't something that has happened now as grown ups but was visible already when we were small kids, although we didn't think about it. I have (and had as a kid) a propensity towards constipation when food becomes to "heavy" whereas my sister can tolerate more heavy foods. So here your personality and mental attitude influence what you need. And I would also like to add your past lives as I firmly believe (as do the majority of the worlds 7 billion people and we cannot all be stupid and delusionized) that this is not the first time that I have been walking on this earth. My personality is based on my past life experiences and they definitely differ from my sister's (advice: do some regression analysis, there are good books that can guide you).

    There's a scientific debate on what forms your personality, or to what degree it is determined by the environment vs your genes. And all the time there has been this third factor that is so obvious I'm surprised how it excapes everyone. Just ask some twins. However, because of the unfortunate reductionist trend in science that has been ongoing since the industrial revolution, we are still lost in the details and cannot grasp the whole. As an individual the best thing I suppose you can do is to understand that you are individual and, and this is something I heard on a recording of a Daniel Vitalis lecture that I think is a great motto, not be 100% anything.

    Cheers,
    Malena
  • Ryan Janki
    I was diagnosed with asthma when I was 4. spent a total of apx. 1.5 years in a hospital in my 32 year life with bronchial pneumonia, allergenic attacks, major eczema outbreaks, and the frequent asthma attacks). Since my 28th year I was on the raw food diet, and found some relief- which only lasted three years. I has a major candida out break last year which almost killed me. I had to really 'check myself before I recked myself'. I moved out to western Canada during my raw foodism and was surrounded by nature. During battling my candida battle, I met a natropathic doctor unlike most I met in back home in the big city, (Toronto), he laughed when I told him about my plant based raw food diet. He said thats great for cleansing, but long term, will harm me. He then proceeded to ask me about my energy level, and asked to see my teeth. Almost 6 months later, a couple of visits and and a new lifestyle, I feel better, look heather and have weight I can keep on my body. As a general contractor, sometimes you got to get in there with your staff and get dirty, and lift things when people can't. I feel stronger than ever, and can see my body growing (yes at 32!) I'm not a white collar dude like most you guys and don't have lengthy university degrees that allow fancy letters behind my name, and cannot write as eloquent either. However, I have more focus at work, look great, and my new 'natural diet' or 'natural lifestyle' has helped my body come into being. Raw wild berries from my forrest/garden, fresh local produce when I can get it, and wild deer/moose, grass feed buffalo/bison and sashmi . Thankyou so much Daniel for saying what you did. My yoga instructor has been making me feel guilty for months as I have a Brahmin genetic lineage. I just feel right now. And my allergies are almost non-exsistant, my sleep is deeper and your herbal tonics/shakes are a daily routine. My wife and I are currently increasing our acreage from our humble 25ac to 50 soon. I like to look throw my lil forrest for food as well as hunt local food as well. Thank you for taking a big wieght of my shoulders. Anytime your in the Alberta/Sask border area during your travels drop by!
    ryanjanki@hotmail.com
  • Chandra
    Hi Daniel,

    I'm glad to encounter you/your story.
    I don't like the "labels"; I simply do my best to pay attention to my body to see what IT is saying I need. And presently, it is saying "No animal products."

    I applaud you for finding your way through the maze of all these chemical and scientific terms scientists and allopaths throw around; proclaiming what EVERYBODY needs to be "healthy." Though I don't consume animal products, I hold no judgement in your discovery in needing to consume animal products. One can only control HIS/HER needs and preferences. Judging is at best, a total waste of time and energy.

    I'm happy to FINALLY run into somebody who realizes soy, wheat, corn and most everything we consume -- whether it's from an industrial farm or "certified organic" -- is UNNATURAL; HYBRID, and therefore devoid of nutritional value. I supplement my diet with NATURE-MADE PLANTS that I forage for (and I know YOU know what I mean) whenever possible.

    You made a lot of important points that resonate with me; doesn't mean I'm gonna run out and eat some flesh, but the remote possibility came up, it would necessarily be from so-called "wild" sources, because eating the meat & milk products of the domestic cow we're all so familiar with (a HYBRID between a buffalo and a yak) is inferior to a buffalo, for example (a natural animal) -- regardless to whether it has been "grass-fed" and "free-range."

    As I said, I don't particularly desire eating animal products; too acidic for my biology. But I'm glad you found your happy balance! Best! C.
  • Josema
    Excellent writing Daniel! I love the way you "tell" your growing awareness toward a more logical approach to right nutrition. It just makes sense man. Congrats on taking the many paths, all learning processes for who you are today.
  • me
    i am suprised that the nutrients in semen, human breast milk, womens orgasmic fluids have not been brought up...

    any thoughts or information?
  • hollypeckskamp
    All of these comments were quite amazing and as I continue on this path so much becomes so clear. I have recently read molecules of emotions by Candace Pert. In a nutshell she discusses the second nervous system which is comprised of mini minds so just as we all suspected the information in the body is bidirectional not just from the brain. There was an amazing study done with a specific group of worms and much like pavlov's work, they were shock after a bright light was flashed. After a short period they began to coil in efforts to deflect the shock. This group of worms was fed to a larger group and this group profoundly did the same thing (coil), proving that the memory of each cell goes far beyond this life. In this discussion, the spiritual undertaking of eating meat with respect would propel you to a new found conscious awareness of balance and respect. I too have recently struggled with a vegetarian diet and with my craving for sugar I can only suspect what growth of fungus or mold is occurring. During these times, it is so important to follow what the body really needs intuitively as the answers are all within, instead of trying to follow dogmatic theories. We all ebb and flow by design so if we truly were operating out of a higher conscious space then all would be in balance. I love how much passion was shared in each post...blessings to you all!! Daniel I remember this person you spoke of in your 20's...how awesome life inspires!!
  • There seems to be a lot of debate over this. I have one thing to say "The Ringing Cedars" . I wonder if you know what that is or if you have read it, Daniel?

    As for unethical vegan farming...what about permaculture? Don't you know about forest gardens? And veganique farming? There are so many wild foods that we can "forage", and gather. I wouldn't take the life of another animal...our consciousness is to evolve. Can you do it?
  • Andre
    Hi Daniel,

    Thank you for sharing your experience. I am learning about how we are not only what we eat, but HOW we eat. Like you said, the time of 'ism's is over... I feel better about my choices now, and ultimately that is the only way we can move forward, with an acceptance of what we are experiencing in the present moment, rather than a depressing of experience, thought, feeling.

    You are Inspiring!

    Blessings,
    Andre
  • Prince Charles
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HCYFS6UiWs

    Reptilian Body Snachas!

    Raw Humans are the most nutritious addition to any Reptilians' diet.
    I prefer to torture & rape my food first, it circulates the blood-stream and makes all the vitamins & nutrients in proper suspension for greater absorbation.
    I got my Earth-hunting permit for earth when I visited Draco, but now i also helped to set up a free-range underground prison with the help of FEMA. This way I can be sure that they are eating a good diet free of Genetically Modified Organisms.
    Underground birthing centers are also a good option if you want the fresh meat, but it is alot of work. I get help from the Moosad in that department.
  • Dick Cheney
    Hi Daniel,
    I am glad you have found out about the benefits of Red Meat? You know there also Spiritual Properties to Cannibalism? Many indigenous people swear by it? I think in order for in to have more of a spiritual effect, it is better to slaughter your prey in front of an alter of Satan and drink the blood instantly while it is still fresh and raw...
    I am so tired of this Veggie religious dogma that does not see the “oneness” of everything. There is no difference in slicing the throat of a baby Dolphin as there is pulling a carrot out of the ground! Killing innocent animals is a great way to cummune with nature. (Just watch your aim when hunting with friends!)
    If you ever want to come out to visit me and my friends in July for Bohemian Grove, we have some great blood drinking ceremonies (Some wild meat & some babies) with major world leaders. We need a rest from planning wars and poisoning the population now and then...good fun with the big boys! We even have some shapeshifting lizards that join us now and then for the blood orgy..loads of fun.
    Just remember, what goes around, might not come around, so enjoy your senses, this world is for your exploitation!
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    This review is from: The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability

    Keith does raise some valid points, for example, that all agriculture is environmentally destructive, and that even in the production of vegan foods, some animals die (due to habitat destruction, pollution, insecticides, etc.) However, the fact remains that a hunter-gatherer lifestyle could support only a small fraction of the people alive today–what does she propose happens to the rest? Agriculture is necessary, and raising plants takes up much less land (and other resources) than raising animals. (Keith incorrectly claims that either synthetic fertilizers or animal products are necessary to fertilize crops; she is evidently unaware of veganic (aka stock-free organic) agriculture.

    I laughed out loud when I read Keith’s argument that killing a grain of rice is equivalent to killing a cow (so vegans are taking many more lives than meat-eaters). Can she really believe this? Can anyone?

    Her nutrition section is appalling. She doesn’t just advocate eating meat, she believes it is healthiest to eat large quantities of meat and other kinds of animal fat. She alleges that the reams of scientific research showing the hazards of animal products can’t be trusted because the scientific journals are sponsored by corporate interests. (ALL of them? And their motivation for skewing studies in favour of vegan whole foods is….?) This doesn’t stop her from citing studies when she thinks they support her argument. She says that epidemiological studies are not to be trusted, yet she leans heavily on the work of Weston Price, comparing the health of peoples around the world. Based on this work, she claims that hunter-gatherers all have wonderful health and this is due only to their diet. What about a more physically active lifestyle? What about all the ill and disabled people who can’t survive as hunter-gatherers, but are able to survive thanks to the fruits of civilization?

    Keith also assumes that her experiences as a vegan (chronic indigestion, amenorrhea, constant fatigue, etc.) are typical. Having been a vegan for many years, and knowing many other vegans, I know that they are not typical (and peer-reviewed research bears that out). There are vegans who eat unbalanced diets and develop problems for that reason; there are also many health problems that are unrelated to diet. Keith admits that she never discussed her diet with a doctor (who could have assessed if she really was suffering nutritional deficiencies) or a registered dietician (who could have assessed her diet and suggested changes if it was not adequate). Her belief that veganism caused her health problems is based on the recommendation of an alternative medicine practioner. Although she claims that she feels better on a meat-based diet, she also still has health problems, supposedly due to the “damage” done by her vegan diet. Maybe diet has nothing to do with her health problems at all?

    Her recommendations are:
    - don’t have children (I agree the human population is too high, but I think having one or two children is not unreasonable)
    - don’t drive a car (a great idea, if you are able-bodied and not obliged to live in an area where other forms of transportation are not available)
    - grow your own food

    This last recommendation is especially surprising given her opposition to agriculture. Are millions of tiny back-yard farms really better for the environment than a few large efficiently run farms? She doesn’t explain how growing your own food is better than getting someone else to do it. Sure, if you already have a backyard, growing food is a better use than just leaving it as lawn, but what about all the people who currently live in aparment buildings? Does it really help the environment for all of them to move to the suburbs or countryside so they can become part-time farmers? And how are all these people living in the country supposed to get around without cars?

    So while Keith does make some valid points, this book is rife with errors of fact (especially in the nutrition section), full of errors in logic and self-contradictions, and offers little in the way of practical advice for ameliorating the problems she discusses.


    http://www.ecologos.org/instinctotherapy.htm
  • Dick Cheney
    Hi Daniel,
    I am glad you have found out about the benefits of Red Meat? You know there also Spiritual Properties to Cannibalism? Many indigenous people swear by it? I think in order for in to have more of a spiritual effect, it is better to slaughter your prey in front of an alter of Satan and drink the blood instantly while it is still fresh and raw...
    I am so tired of this Veggie religious dogma that does not see the “oneness” of everything. There is no difference in slicing the throat of a baby Dolphin as there is pulling a carrot out of the ground! Killing innocent animals is a great way to cummune with nature. (Just watch your aim when hunting with friends!)
    If you ever want to come out to visit me and my friends in July for Bohemian Grove, we have some great blood drinking ceremonies (Some wild meat & some babies) with major world leaders. We need a rest from planning wars and poisoning the population now and then...good fun with the big boys! We even have some shapeshifting lizards that join us now and then for the blood orgy..loads of fun.
    Just remember, what goes around, might not come around, so enjoy your senses, this world is for your exploitation!
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    This review is from: The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability

    Keith does raise some valid points, for example, that all agriculture is environmentally destructive, and that even in the production of vegan foods, some animals die (due to habitat destruction, pollution, insecticides, etc.) However, the fact remains that a hunter-gatherer lifestyle could support only a small fraction of the people alive today–what does she propose happens to the rest? Agriculture is necessary, and raising plants takes up much less land (and other resources) than raising animals. (Keith incorrectly claims that either synthetic fertilizers or animal products are necessary to fertilize crops; she is evidently unaware of veganic (aka stock-free organic) agriculture.

    I laughed out loud when I read Keith’s argument that killing a grain of rice is equivalent to killing a cow (so vegans are taking many more lives than meat-eaters). Can she really believe this? Can anyone?

    Her nutrition section is appalling. She doesn’t just advocate eating meat, she believes it is healthiest to eat large quantities of meat and other kinds of animal fat. She alleges that the reams of scientific research showing the hazards of animal products can’t be trusted because the scientific journals are sponsored by corporate interests. (ALL of them? And their motivation for skewing studies in favour of vegan whole foods is….?) This doesn’t stop her from citing studies when she thinks they support her argument. She says that epidemiological studies are not to be trusted, yet she leans heavily on the work of Weston Price, comparing the health of peoples around the world. Based on this work, she claims that hunter-gatherers all have wonderful health and this is due only to their diet. What about a more physically active lifestyle? What about all the ill and disabled people who can’t survive as hunter-gatherers, but are able to survive thanks to the fruits of civilization?

    Keith also assumes that her experiences as a vegan (chronic indigestion, amenorrhea, constant fatigue, etc.) are typical. Having been a vegan for many years, and knowing many other vegans, I know that they are not typical (and peer-reviewed research bears that out). There are vegans who eat unbalanced diets and develop problems for that reason; there are also many health problems that are unrelated to diet. Keith admits that she never discussed her diet with a doctor (who could have assessed if she really was suffering nutritional deficiencies) or a registered dietician (who could have assessed her diet and suggested changes if it was not adequate). Her belief that veganism caused her health problems is based on the recommendation of an alternative medicine practioner. Although she claims that she feels better on a meat-based diet, she also still has health problems, supposedly due to the “damage” done by her vegan diet. Maybe diet has nothing to do with her health problems at all?

    Her recommendations are:
    - don’t have children (I agree the human population is too high, but I think having one or two children is not unreasonable)
    - don’t drive a car (a great idea, if you are able-bodied and not obliged to live in an area where other forms of transportation are not available)
    - grow your own food

    This last recommendation is especially surprising given her opposition to agriculture. Are millions of tiny back-yard farms really better for the environment than a few large efficiently run farms? She doesn’t explain how growing your own food is better than getting someone else to do it. Sure, if you already have a backyard, growing food is a better use than just leaving it as lawn, but what about all the people who currently live in aparment buildings? Does it really help the environment for all of them to move to the suburbs or countryside so they can become part-time farmers? And how are all these people living in the country supposed to get around without cars?

    So while Keith does make some valid points, this book is rife with errors of fact (especially in the nutrition section), full of errors in logic and self-contradictions, and offers little in the way of practical advice for ameliorating the problems she discusses.


    http://www.ecologos.org/instinctotherapy.htm
  • Excellent article Daniel. I resonate with EVERY bit of it. Now that I am living on the east coast, in a town of 141, with my own springhouse, hunting is on my list, as my father was a big hunter too.
    We should connect soon,
    ~Shaman Rawb
  • Excellent article Daniel. I resonate with EVERY bit of it. Now that I am living on the east coast, in a town of 141, with my own springhouse, hunting is on my list, as my father was a big hunter too.
    We should connect soon,
    ~Shaman Rawb
  • Great post! Although our food paths have been different, the healing nature of traditional foods has definitely paved to a healthier life for me. Eating high quality, locally sourced foods based on biochemical individuality is the way to go. I follow no set ideology or dogma, but that of my ever changing body. Results first, beliefs second... and we'll all find our way.

    Looking forward to meeting you in Dallas-
  • George
    85% of the resources used for food is in the way it is produced, only 15% is in the transport of it. I have been raw, mostly fruits and veggies for a while now and have plenty of muscle and feel great. So if you are so right, then why do I as well as others exist? My body needs only 20-50 grams protein per day, half if it is cooked. Look it up the information is available @ The International Society on Nutrition and Diseases of Civilization. Also I weigh 175 lbs and am 5'10. I am not here to prove your way of life is wrong. Just to prove that the way of life you are now condemning is and can be great for health, vitality, and longevity. There are plenty of cases to show this. Stating you starved is flawed too, as it takes the average person 40 days of water fasting before they begin to starve. True hunger feels like a thirst sensation, not a growl of the stomach. Peace.
  • John Barber
    Daniel, I check up on your stuff every so often and your always into stuff that makes me have to dig deeper, I thank you for that.

    I've been vegetarian for 4 years now and mostly vegan for nearly 2 years. I eat about 50-75% raw and I take B-12 and eat some super foods like goji's, hemp seeds, kelp, algae etc. I still do yoga, play sports and perform fine mentally, but I have sensed there is something subtle missing. Earlier someone mentioned the Chinese concept of Jing. Maybe i'm intuiting something along those lines, but I still have a solid sex drive and good overall physical endurance.

    A couple years ago I tried eating raw egg yolks and actually enjoyed them, maybe I will try that again and see how I react to it. It is very important to me not to create physical suffering. Maybe I should resort to eating ants and small insects as I can kill them without inducing pain? I also don't think that ant colonies go into grief and have a funeral when a few ants don't come back!

    One other thing! Is spring water from Florida safe for drinking? I know the water is not nearly as deep here in the peninsula!

    Thanks for your inspiration Daniel!,

    -John, from Lakeland, Florida
  • dirkdonggler
    Our Jing is a deep force that takes awhile to deplete. Raw vegan food supplies us with an abundance of Chi, but not Jing. Eventually, at some point, every raw food vegans I've observed depletes their Jing. Daniel depleted his at one point when his bones began to demineralize....Paul Nison also started to have bone loss and had to add in eggs and raw dairy. It takes time to deplete jing--and during that time we can feel great and have a decent sex drive, etc--but eventually it catches up to alot of raw vegans I've observed---Hair loss, bone loss, weight loss, low libido (especially in men after intercourse) ..And Jing is something that takes a long time to build back. But alot of that can be avoided with some raw eggs, raw milk from a grassfed source, raw herb teas made with rehmannia and ho shou wu and ashwaganda...eating lots of ghee butter, taking deer antler, bee pollen, maca--for some, beef bison or lamb liver and marrow soup work great--and for everyone, doing load-bearing exercise, and qigong.....all of those things can not only preserve but build jing back.
  • Kelly + Craig
    Wow. Very well written D. Thank you for sharing!
  • jenndrew
    daniel - just saw on FB that you are coming to the longevity conference - can't wait to see you there!!! love you honey xoxoxo
  • dirkdonggler
    Wow! How very interesting! You've got some balls bro, I respect the hell out of you.

    Oddly enough, I have practically the opposite path--I was a Weston Price guy for years (but I ate far, far too much cooked meat and cooked foods) and then went raw. I never went raw vegan (I still had raw milk and eggs every now and then) but I've recently come to where you're at--this time to marinated raw meat, fermented raw cod liver oil (and butter oil combo), raw liver, etc.

    Overall, I believe humanity is suffering from both toxicity (which a raw food diet is great for) but also a jing deficiency. You look at the natives Price studied and they have strong jing, strong ojas. You look in the raw food movement at all the feminized men and the women who can't get pregnant or miscarry or are losing hair and you realize that just like humanity can't sustain itself on McDonald's and twinkies, we also can't go too far (at this point in our evolution) on a raw food diet. At this point, we've got to build our jing back.
  • Kathleen
    Wow - powerful. It's nice to hear someone say out loud what many others are thinking. Thank you so much for sharing! I was just teaching my students today about how eating lower on the food chain is more efficient in terms of energy use through food chains, but now I have a different environmental perspective on vegetarianism.
  • RawRadiance
    Wow, love your genuine honesty and courage to speak out... much needed in the raw movement! I may not have always agreed with you (Siberian mushrooms, Lol) but I really respect your bold stance on this.

    Overall my health improved on a high-raw diet, but I've run into some issues including hair-loss. Incorporating some animal products back into my diet (wild-caught fish, organic eggs, raw goat milk) made all the difference. I grew up in far east Siberia where meat is a MUST (can't grow crops in a frozen solid ground), it wasn't long before I intuitively felt drawn back to animal products.

    Reading the responses, I can relate to both sides of the argument. There's definitely benefit to eating plant-based, but I equally see the importance of incorporating some animal products. Perhaps getting best of both worlds is the best approach... lots of fresh, wild greens (raw) and an occasional animal product from a local grass-fed farm! Just a thought.

    Looking forward to more from you ;-)

    Mila (aka Raw Radiance)
  • Guest
    Wow, love your genuine honesty and courage to speak out... much needed in the raw movement! I may not have always agreed with you (Siberian mushrooms, Lol) but I really respect your bold stance on this.

    Overall my health improved on a high-raw diet, but I've run into some issues including hair-loss. Incorporating some animal products back into my diet (wild-caught fish, organic eggs, raw goat milk) made all the difference. I grew up in far east Siberia where meat is a MUST (can't grow crops in a frozen solid ground), it wasn't long before I intuitively felt drawn back to animal products.

    Reading the responses, I can relate to both sides of the argument. There's definitely benefit to eating plant-based, but I equally see the importance of incorporating some animal products. Perhaps getting best of both worlds is the best approach... lots of fresh, wild greens (raw) and an occasional animal product from a local grass-fed farm! Just a thought.

    Looking forward to more from you ;-)

    Mila (aka Raw Radiance)
  • Guest
    Wow, love your genuine honesty and courage to speak out... much needed in the raw movement! I may not have always agreed with you (Siberian mushrooms, Lol) but I really respect your bold stance on this.

    Overall my health improved on a high-raw diet, but I've run into some issues including hair-loss. Incorporating some animal products back into my diet (wild-caught fish, organic eggs, raw goat milk) made all the difference. I grew up in far east Siberia where meat is a MUST (can't grow crops in a frozen solid ground), it wasn't long before I intuitively felt drawn back to animal products.

    Reading the responses, I can relate to both sides of the argument. There's definitely benefit to eating plant-based, but I equally see the importance of incorporating some animal products. Perhaps getting best of both worlds is the best approach... lots of fresh, wild greens (raw) and an occasional animal product from a local grass-fed farm! Just a thought.

    Looking forward to more from you ;-)

    Mila (aka Raw Radiance)
  • il
    Thank you for your post. My diet is basically plant based and raw and it seems to be working for ME. Maybe it's because I'm still cleansing and detoxing the eating habits i grew up with. Inspired by your ideas i tried some raw reindeer meat and goat milk. They made me feel pretty good but I still think that my smoothies give me more energy at the moment. I think I'll stick to my raw vegan ways for now but who knows what I'm eating next year, maybe i'll be on a primal diet, just tryin to keep an open mind haha. Clean, natural food should be the foundation for every human being but what that means to each individual person might vary depending on the needs of their bodies. I might not agree with all the views in your future posts but I'm definitely looking forward to them :)! foor for thought! keep up the good work!. time to boil some wild chaga, peace
  • emily
    I love this post Daniel. Reflects where I have been in attitude to some extent.

    My wakeup has been recent although I had started eating fish fairly regularly for intermittent periods before hand because I felt something was missing although I still identified as vegan haha.

    It's great no longer feeling like I'm on death's door in the quest for health. My wakeup came when I thought back to a time 3 years ago pre raw, when I was still a fairly regular drinker and smoker. I had decided to "get healthy" and so I started doing very intense interval style workouts a few times a week (in a non obsessively regimented and actually fun manner) and went for the foods that I felt would be instincitvely good for me which at the time equated to lots of meat, salads, stir fries, nuts and a little fruit. After two weeks I felt in the best shape of my life. I had soooo much energy and my mind was like lightning.

    About to embark on yet another cleanse I recalled this time and suddently something didn't make sense. How when I was "toxic" did I have more energy, viality and a really good body than in the pure state?

    A nice little synchronicity then ocurred when I stumbled across a blog post from Mark Sisson, I liked his attitude and looked more into his website where he detailed a dietary approach very similar to my instinctive dietary choices. I then had one of those A-Ha moments were I realised had I just stuck to my guns three years ago I would not have had such an unpleasant detour. Although there was some value within it for sure.

    Nice to read "real" posts like this. Keep them coming.

    Here's to non-judgemental cuisine :)

    Emily
  • mikelund
    Daniel,
    Your story sounds like a very educational/entertaining short movie. I'll film it! What do you say?
  • Daniel R
    Daniel. Just want to say that the reality is we're all very different with many different adaptations to many ecosystems. The only way to true health it to eat as per our individual diet needs dictated by our genes. Eskimos need to eat differently then the Quechua Indians. Price proved that. The way to determine what an individual should eat is a not so new but up and coming science on determining individual diet need described and written about in the Metabolic Typing Diet by Bill Wolcott. Daniel check this out you would would make a great positive change with many people as a Metabolic Typing adviser and possibly even a Functional Diagnostic Nutritionist. Your voice is powerful! Just look into it is all I'm saying. You will be amazed at the depth of this science. Price was the fist in a long stream of amazingly brilliant scientist would let to its development.
  • Ernesto Aguila
    Hey Daniel! just wanted to say hi! =) and hope all is well for you. I have been spreading all of the information that I have been learning from you at my job, and now alot of my co-workers come to me for enlightenment and many questions lol. But I always give all the credit to my source by showing them your site. Soon i will have a group of people who want to become pharral and gain higher levels of health from the 4 elements =) So have you decided when your coming down to NYC? lol
  • carnivore
    Chad... give me a break .. "but it's impossible for humans to survive there without clothing, artificial heat, and shelter."

    It's also impossible for a bird to live without building a nest...
    Here's for all the vegans that say eating meat is unnatural because were not designed to..

    Chimps Use "Spears" to Hunt Mammals, Study Says
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070222-chimps-spears.html
  • I commend you for being open to new information (Weston A. Price), despite being such an admitted raw food fundamentalist. It takes courage and intelligence to not cling to dogma when presented with an alternate perspective that challenges our own.

    Yes, I agree The Vegetarian Myth and Nutrition and Physical Degeneration (I'd also add The Metabolic Typing Diet) are must reads for anyone who has asked the question, what should humans eat?

    Cheers,

    Jason
  • michaelmcevoy
    Excellent Article! I feel like I have gone through a similar journey. Very eloquent! Being a nutritionist I urge you to look at the science of Metabolic Type Nutrition and its adjacent scientists and clinicians. Through their own methods, they have come to your same understanding, with heightened variations in how food can be applied as medicine.
    Regards,
    Michael McEvoy CNC, CMTA
  • Thank you so much for your heart-felt post Daniel! I have shared this with some fellow nutrition colleagues....your journey is one that we can all learn from whether we or our clients are raw, vegan, macro, meat eaters, etc. Keep learning and growing. In much respect and admiration!
  • Coyote
    Indeed a journey with food and self discovery. I myself was a vegetarian for over 10 years, enjoying soy and tofu based meat alternatives as a main source of protein. Now, about 6 years after I started slowing reintroducing meat into my diet I have developed food allergies. The irony of it is, I was trying to be healthy, eat right, get all the proper nutrients, and in reality I was consuming what translates as poison to my intestines. Now, I eat only locally grown foods, and meat from local farmers markets and I am healthier and happier for it.
    A call for a return to nature.
    With love in my heart.
  • Chandra
    Tofu/soy products are very, VERY DIFFICULT to cleanse from the intestines. Back in the early 80's, it was my staple. I'm probably JUST getting the last of that crap outta me! lol!
  • Mystie
    Fearsclave, your comment to Menkit of: "you bear as much guilt as anybody else for the animal death and suffering caused by habitation destruction, deforestation, pesticide use, harvest bykill, pest control, fossil fuel use, topsoil and aquifer depletion, and the industrial, transportation and distribution infrastructures required to get your food to the table" is wrong on all counts for people who grow their own organic food, which many ethical vegans and vegetarians do. Therefore they don't need or use any of the above. Many meat eaters make these hasty assumptions about vegetarians and vegans without having the correct information.
  • zipfromthetopofthefoodchain
    Great Write up. I have been "Primal or Paleo" for almost a year and completely got off of the western diet. I lost 81 lbs and re-gained my health and fitness. keep it up!



  • carnivore
    Hahaha i cant believe people still post that crap about our teeth, stomach, saliva, no claws, how meat is to acidic... vegans say that same crap over and over. i been reading it for years. it gets really old and all that BS has been proven to be way wrong... Good job on giving up that vegan stuff... im about to eat a raw steak.
  • thehighvibecoach
    Keep it REAL bro! :-)

    I think Eric Hoffer said it best: "In a time of drastic change it is the learners who inherit the future. The learned usually find themselves equipped to live in a world that no longer exists."

    My take: RESIST NOTHING...An open mind will find what works and also find peace. Forget the beliefs...find what works for YOU.

    I ate 100% raw for many years because it felt good and it worked for me...for a time. As my body changed, it started to ask for different elements....foods...some of which I had to expand my awareness just enough to see that the only thing that was causing discomfort in eating the foods my body was asking for was a THOUGHT...a solidified BELIEF and had NOTHING to do with my body.

    As soon as this was realized, I was able to release it, let it go, and be free.

    Food is a tool and that is all.

    Hopefully, no matter what food we eat, we grow in awareness of who we really are and share the gift we are here to share.

    Many blessings bro...keep sharing YOUR gift...like one of my teachers once said: "If you're NOT being crucified...than you're not FULLY expressing your MISSION" :)

    Talk soon...
  • Questioning
    Hey Daniel-
    Great post!!! I will always respect you, even if we are traveling down different dietary paths as of now. It takes a lot of courage to be so open about the changes you have made and will make in the future. Especially since many of the people you are reaching out to are dogmatic and close-minded about their diet (ahem...raw foodists...you know it is true....)!

    I am seeking out a diet that is beneficial for my body but also supports sustainability. I follow a high raw, low fat vegan diet currently and try to buy locally/follow the seasons. I don't think I will ever be 100% lfrv because I love living in Michigan but we do not produce fruit throughout the winter. I am not interested in shipping bananas and mangos from the tropics on a regular basis, and I don't think such a diet would be sustainable for the human race.

    I am open minded about reintroducing animal products into my diet. However, my decision to become a vegan was heavily based off of the work of T. Colin Campbell. As you know, he teaches that animal products (even when raw) are severely damaging to our health. I think his evidence is compelling and I plan on continuing down the vegan path for the time being (and yes...I am supplementing with B-12 and Vit D).

    There are several great farms nearby where I could get raw milk, raw cheese, and grass-fed beef. I would not be morally opposed to doing so, if I visited the farms and was satisfied with their practices.

    I understand that killing is a necessity of life. However, I still haven't found any evidence that I think trumps Campbell's solid research. The works of Dr. Price have not been enough to trump Campbell's research, at least not in my mind. I'm not saying that it does not exist, I just haven't found it yet. By all means...point me in the right direction if you know of anything. I'm always open minded and ready to learn new things.
  • LittleBird_Young
    Hi Questioning --

    the issue with the China Study is that they did not use real food in any of their animal trials, but toxic (for anybody) protein isolates. Please, please read Nutrition and Physical degeneration, it's free on the internet. It trumps it all.

    Lindsay
  • Questioning
    Thank you! I will definitely read it today.
  • Daniel thanks so much for having the guts to stand up and broadcast this kind of material. I have long been fascinated with the Native American way of Life as to how they could exist out of the wilderness without planting, farming and the like. I am traveling around California right now, at the moment in the deserts, and absorbing all the wisdom I am coming across, on how the different tribes existed off the landscape. I knew long ago, though I spent years pursuing veganism and the raw lifestyle, that one couldn't be vegan and exist on wild food from the wilderness. My take is that civilization and farming are what has even made that thought possible, but I don't want anyone having to slave away for me growing food. The hunter gatherers had it right. Back to the wild!
  • Daniel, today is my 2 year raw anniversary, and I wrote a post on my blog today addressing a question from somebody on RawFu about sugar addiction and a raw food diet. I'm finding that a raw food diet is not only something that is hard to live up to, but it's also a hard thing to live down, huh?

    This has been my experience.

    Sugar. This has been my uphill battle with a high raw lifestyle. Sweets in my diet cause me to obsess over food, and to overeat emotionally. Because of my struggle with sweets, I joke that a raw food diet helped me gain weight and develop an eating disorder! Of course, raw foods have been an amazing miracle in my life over the past two years. Today is my 2 year anniversary of going a raw food diet. And is the anniversary of me going on a journey that would teach me so much about my body, and how it digests and metabolizes food.

    One thing I have learned most profoundly is that the same diet will not work for every person the same way. Some people can thrive on a raw food vegan diet that includes fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, and sea plants. If that person is you, you've hit the raw food jackpot! Some people need to add more proteins and fats to thrive, and use more nuts, seeds, avocado, and coconut that others. Some people thrive on the high carbohydrate plan, eating more sweets, and less fat. I think it takes a leap of faith and a lot of trial and error to navigate which version of a raw food diet is going to work for you.

    I have struggled and felt like a failure for not being able to eat a high raw diet, and honestly, I had to cut out all of the sweets. In doing so, I explored adding more non sweet fruits and vegetables, but that alone left me feeling hungry and deprived. So, I explored adding more fat and protein via nuts, seeds, avocado, etc. This left me much sicker, and threatened the longevity of my gallbladder. So, there I was, stuck between a rock and hard place. Can't eat sweets without becoming food obsessed. Can't eat fats without gallbladder attacks. My food world became extremely small. I could eat greens, non sweet fruits (cukes, tomato) and vegetables (broccoli, cabbage, etc), avocado, and coconut. I was cool with that for a while, but then realized that I was creating a raw food trap for myself. This diet wasn't going to keep me satisfied. And when I felt unsatisfied, I would binge on the worst foods possible.

    This is one of the reasons I have asked RawDawg Rory to come in and lead a RawFu 100 Day Challenge. He will lead a challenge that will rock the raw vegan lifestyle, and I look forward to everything I can learn from him.

    Meanwhile, I want to explore what my options are outside of the raw vegan arena that may help me feel more balanced, less obsessive, and less food focused. I have a vision of what this looks like for me, and I feel like I have to explore it. I envision a series of cycles, much like seasons that I can create to allow me to accomplish all of my health and wellness goals. A season of fat burning, a season of cleansing, a season of resting, a season of nourishing. I'm not exactly sure what it looks like yet. But my hope is to create an environment in my life where I am able to include the most broad spectrum of food choices possible through the entire cycle of seasons.

    I know my body, and my body cannot have all of the seasons mixed up into one big soup. I'm looking forward to what lies ahead. I hope the next two years are as pivitol an life changing as the past two have been. Raw food changed my life, and opened my eyes! I am forever humbled and grateful.

    Now, pass the raw grass fed butter!
  • Dani
    I would prefer to be a vegetarian, but my body can't handle it. What you wrote helped me because I've been a guilty omnivore for years now and I've felt weak and willful when actually my body has simply been telling me what it needs. I've always admired the vegans I've met (still do), but I realize my body chemistry requires meat. I recently detoxed from carb overload and am on supplements and a high protein diet to combat adrenal fatigue. The part about adult wisdom being that something must die for us to live resonated with me most. Thanks for recommending that book. I look forward to new blog entries from you now that I've found your site. Blessings to you.
  • Jim0000000002
    This is awesome, I was always curious about the back-story of DV. Real nourishment is where it's at, and sad to say that a lot of people are not going to be getting rich off this new time. However, a lot of people will be healed, cured, and made stronger. We will remember who we are and will learn to live together and co-operate. Raw vegan foods are definitely great for cleansing, but I need my wild salmon to feel truly strong and pumped up, ready to move boulders and run through the forest. Dear and bear meat are also delectable---I've obtained them from hunters. I never really got the 100% vegan/vegetarian thing. 100% anything probably isn't the best ever. Well, 100% honesty is great, and that's what you are Daniel. Thanks and Blessings. Glad I stopped by this blog again. Love the U-toob videos.
  • nice post, thanks!
  • Food Fight!!
    And in the words of Rodney King,
    'Can't we all just get along?'
    nuff said
    deb
  • Dan
    Hey man good article, I do think there could be a little less bashing of the "vegan" lifestyle though. Not all vegans are underweight and starving! I think the raw movement does attract people who have eating disorders and an unhealthy view of food and eating, and these are the people who get identified with the raw food lifestyle. It's sad in a way. I still don't eat animal flesh although I understand why some people do and I hope we can all come together in a non dogmatic way to advance our knowledge and wisdom. There is still so much and so little that we as humans know about the world, yet we cling to what little we do know as absolutes truths and will defend them to the bitter end, such is unnecessary. We all have so much to learn from each other and share that we could advance so much more if we didn't cling to our "dogmas" as you put it. I give you mad props on the the find a spring website it's truly a great idea.
  • LostVegan
    Glad to read there are so many non-haters way down the comment line. Still, everyone could benefit from perusing that book. Do it :)
  • LostVegan
    I did not have time to read through ALL of the identical comments, but from what I did read I am certain that everyone needs to click over to Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price.

    I'll list it again so you do not have to scroll back up: http://www.journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html

    Save it to your hard drive.

    Take a few weeks to read and comprehend the whole book.

    Or just read the first few chapters and look at the photos and read their captions.

    That is all.
  • David
    awesome article, Daniel! My experiences with diet experimentation pretty much parallels yours exactly. Right now I am still mostly raw and I have tried to go towards the raw, primal diet. I'm sure you know what this is but its mostly paleolithic foods, free-range animals or wild animals with organ meats, and vegetables. Low fruit, low sugar, low carbs. I feel reaaaally amazing doing this, LOADS of energy without the terrible ups and downs of sugar binging.

    I had a question, how do you feel about raw animal organs and meat?
  • marina
    hey daniel, i just wanted to thank you for writing about your amazing dietary/spiritual journey. it is very hard to look outside of any "ism" so i really admire you for going beyond all that. i am 16 and have been vegetarian for 4 years and vegan for almost 2, and right now i feel great and don't want to change anything about my diet. you made me consider, however, that my perspective will shift later on as i age and times change. this article served as an important reminder for me to always be a truth seeker and to be aware of how easy it is to surround myself with dogma. i didn't entirely agree with everything you said, but i 100% respect you and what you do!
  • Mary Minihane
    Can you please remove my previous comment. I do not know you or your reasons for taking the path that you are taking and had no right to get personal.
    I think that I was just very annoyed and lashed out.
  • Daniel.
    I am about to open a Raw Vegan business( www.mintywellness.com) but I have always known that you follow the money so now I am questioning my decision. Is there no longer any money to made from the raw vegan diet and should I be changing my corporate strategy as well as you.
  • chad81
    Animal protein is animal protein. It does not matter if it is conventionally raised or organic, grass-fed. Animal protein is high in methionine and acidifies our blood. Animal protein is also a burden on the body to break down. Cooked animal protein is even more disastrous. Do you like raw meat?? Like, just plain raw meat and organs without any seasonings?? No thanks.... the overwhelming majority of people will not find these things appealing.

    Raw milk is not good for humans, it's just a little less harmful do to not being pasteurized. Casein is very difficult to digest. Humans do not produce any rennin. There are nodes in human female breasts that inject bacillus bifidus with the milk. This bacteria helps to digest casein. And plus, human casein and cow casein are much different! Babies also produce small amounts of rennin. Rennin, and often times lactase, are not produced after the baby is weaned. Adults also stop producing the enzyme needed to break down galactose, which become a foreign substance and is stored in the body and causes issues. Tell me how you would get milk from a cow in nature?? Would you just lay on your back and start sucking? No other animals consume milk, especially that of another species, as adults.

    What benefits come from consuming raw animal products??? You fail to mention specific reasons. Every fruit and vegetable is a 'complete protein'. Humans can get every amino acid they require from fruit. Protein requirements are low for adults, so that isn't an issue. Roughly 1/3 or our protein requirement is achieved from the body recycling protein. Getting enough high quality amino acids is easy on a raw vegan diet.

    Just because humans became smart enough to make tools and hunt animals doesn't mean we need to eat their carcass and drink their secretions. Tool use by other animals in nature is rather limited. The majority of animals use what they are born with to catch or gather the food sources that they are available to them.

    I don't know what type of training you have, but you can't determine what humans should be eating based on anthropology. You can't deny what our anatomy, physiology, biochemistry says; that we should be eating a high fruit, raw vegan diet.
  • @Chad: to quote Richard Nikoley of www.freetheanimal.com, since I couldn't have written it better (although I'm one up on him since I do have an anthropology degree):

    "As a paleo blogger and lay student of evolution, anthropology and natural selection -- far more than of health and nutrition vis-a-vis current science, medical research and stacks of books -- I have a certain time-saving luxury. I tend to dismiss out-of-hand studies, papers, hypotheses, blog posts, podcasts, newsprint, and books that clearly contradict one of the most established fields of human knowledge: evolutionary biology and its underlying natural logic of natural selection. Humans are animals. Being as well established as it is, it's my position that the onus of proof is upon those who, when contradicting clear implications of our evolution, do so, i.e., clearly lay out how human evolution is either toast, or got it wrong in a particular area. And none do, because they likely can't. Their research, studies, books and whatnot exist in a scientific vacuum for me. And that makes them less than worthless, and I'm being girly generous. ...By the way, I often find myself in need of kindling for a campfire..."

    There is absolutely no scientific debate that human beings are omnivorous and are adapted to eat a diet that includes meat, and cooked meat at that. The anthropological and archaeological evidence in support of human omnivory is overwhelming and undeniable; it's impossible to argue otherwise when faced with middens composed of shellfish and fish bones dozens of feet high, or any of the innumerable kill sites and hearth sites in the archaeological record, or the untold numbers of projectile points in collections, or the more recent historical evidence of hunting, or our forward binocular vision, single stomachs, short intestines, canine teeth, and physiological adaptations for throwing and persistence hunting. We've been eating meat for the past 2.5 million years or so, and in some cultures meat has constituted in excess of 80% of the diet.

    You, of course, are welcome to believe and eat whatever you want. However, I choose to eat a diet that I know my body is evolved to eat, i.e. one that approximates as closely as I can manage a hunter-gatherer diet; one that does not include grains, beans, potatoes, sugar, soya, and dairy, all of which are recent dietary innovations that didn't co-evolve with humans, and does include meat, poultry, eggs. shellfish and fish (shot or caught in the wild by myself by preference, pastured/free-range/organic/wild-caught otherwise), vegetables (grown by myself as much as possible), fruits, nuts, fungi and greens.

    Six weeks after ditching the SAD and going on this diet I reduced my blood glucose and blood pressure to normal levels and halved my cholesterol and triglyceride levels (as a chronically hypertensive Type II diabetic with one heart attack under my belt this was quite thrilling, to put it mildly). I'm rapidly approaching my healthy weight, too. Simply put, I know what I am, and it's going to take more than the usual veg(etari)an bafflegab (animal carcass? Puh-leeze! You should try some sometime; it's tasty and nutritious) and scare tactics (blood acidification? Eeek!) to convince me that I should eat like I'm a Paranthropus boisei instead of a Homo sapiens.
  • Jack
    Obviously going from a SAD diet to any other diet, you'll experience a massive shift towards better health. Getting rid of coffee and refined foods alone is a HUGE leap in terms of a healthy diet. No argument there. But the question is, "what is optimal for humans?"

    And let's say those who study human anatomy, physiology, and biochemistry all agree that a raw vegan diet of fruits and vegetables are undoubtedly good for the body- in theory and in practice, just for the sake of argument. And meanwhile, anthropologists say that man evolved to include meat in their optimal diet (And I firmly believe the theory of evolution, by the way), would you argue that the historical evidence is strong enough to debunk the empirical repeatedly tested evidence?

    And yes, you can eat and believe whatever you want. But when people (especially those like Daniel Vitalis) argue the physiology of the human body and say things like "...Vegetarianism is more than just destructive for our bodies, it is destructive to our eco-system," well... you're bound to catch some crap for that. An argument over the validity of these claims is well warranted in my opinion. And no, it's not just "your passion," Daniel. This goes way beyond the scope of a hobby.

    Let's look at some of your points:

    -forward binocular vision: fruit bats and mostly herbivorous/frugivorous apes also have forward facing eyes, it is not exclusive to meat eaters.

    -single stomachs: plant eating does not necessitate a cow's multiple stomachs. Hell, rabbits have only one stomach

    -short intestines: Compared to any carnivore, our intestines are many times longer.

    -canine teeth: and a sorry excuse for a pair of them. Look at a dog's mouth to see the real deal. When's the last time you ripped through the hair, skin, fat and muscle of an animal to open them up with your teeth?

    -physiological adaptations for throwing and persistence hunting: physiological or cultural? you could say we were physiologically adapted to painting, dancing, and inscribing words on grains of rice as well... doesn't make meat good for the body.


    Daniel didn't eat enough of the right stuff on a raw vegan diet and got sucked in by the moral/ethical aspects of the extremists. I know of the book that repeats the mantra, "Cooked food is poison!" It's the lamest and sorriest excuse for a concise argument for a plant based diet. In fact, it's not even an argument, it's just preaching.

    I hope my vegetarian bafflegab hasn't bored you.

    Looking forward to your responses,
    Jack
  • Daniel R
    Have you seen the canines on gorillas? Have you ever not been able to finish a steak because of your teeth?

    "And let's say those who study human anatomy, physiology, and biochemistry all agree that a raw vegan diet of fruits and vegetables are undoubtedly good for the body- in theory and in practice, just for the sake of argument. And meanwhile, anthropologists say that man evolved to include meat in their optimal diet (And I firmly believe the theory of evolution, by the way), would you argue that the historical evidence is strong enough to debunk the empirical repeatedly tested evidence?"

    Well lets say the moon is blue then you have to make every other assumption based off that. Yeah right. That's not a logical argument. This assumes the validity of the the statement and everything else you said is based off that. So your making the same mistake in logic that your trying to point out. The science is there its undeniable and your arguments do nothing to prove or disprove. You can argue all you want but your logic is more biased to protect your ego so that you don't have to grow. Growth would be painful because you would have to admit you were wrong in the past. Something Daniel is eager to do because that pain produces growth. Shed your dogma and really read the words above. Just try this: write a paper and try to prove yourself wrong then see if you were successful. Be open to change and quick to admit wrong in anything and everything. Then you will truly grow. I've made the argument for vegetarianism and I've made the argument for omnivorism. I learned a ton. I'm open to believe in your view, but honesty now I can't support it. The honesty is more important to myself then anyone else.
  • chad81
    Ok.... humans starting making fire when, maybe 400,000 years ago? We are not adapted to eat cooked food. Protein, fat, and carbohydrates are all damaged during the cooking process and become dangerous to our bodies. Imagine how it would feel to bake/fry/steam a body part. Not a good thing huh. How can this process be good foods and what benefits come from eating damaged foods?

    I don't know where you are looking, but there is mountains of evidence that indicates humans are designed for a plant based vegan diet. You cite the small intestine and stomach. In relation to body, our small intestine is much longer than that of a carnivore. Ruminants need multiple stomachs so that they can eat grasses. Humans are not designed to eat grasses, therefore we have one stomach. Humans require a HIGH FRUIT diet supplemented with tender greens.

    Blood acidification is not a scare tactic, it's truth. Methionine and cysteine are the sulfur containing amino acids and are found in the highest concentrations in animal protein. They have an acidifying effect on the blood. Homocysteine (a heat disease maker) is a metabolite of methionine.

    And what about my comments about milk? Or about the issues surrounding how much protein humans actually need? And what about all the studies linking meat consumption with increased incidence of, well, pretty much any disease you can think of. Have you read The China Study? I'd suggest you learn some human physiology and biochemistry. Since you have an anthropology degree I'm sure you must be aware that your species originated in the tropics. We only started eating animal flesh when we moved away from this region and needed different foods to survive. We are not in survival mode anymore buddy, we can just go to your grocery store and get some bananas and other fruits.

    I'm happy that you are losing weight and normalizing your blood lipid levels, but you could achieve the same results from a low fat, raw vegan diet high in fruits.
  • dirkdonggler
    The old line, "Human beings are the only species that consumes milk after infancy" is a highly flawed statement to make. Human beings are the only species that juices their fruits and vegetables as well. We're the only species that sprouts our nuts and seeds as well. Don't tell me there's not benefit to those.

    And, in the words of you, you can't deny what our anatomy, physiology and biochemistry says--

    Only I think you're forgetting about Vitamin B12 (wait, I think B12 tablets grow on trees in the Amazon) I think you're forgetting that beta carotene has a hard time converting into retinol on a vegan diet due to the low amount of bile vegans secrete (further, vegans lack the fat to even store such vitamins) I think you're forgetting about dietary cholesterol being the primary building block for sex hormones, such as testosterone. Raw vegan men are pretty much all severely low in testosterone, in case you haven't noticed.

    Heart palpitations? Emaciation? Anxiety? Depression? Hair loss? (in women, even!) Yeah, all those things are common in the raw food vegans, and anxiety is almost universal in the raw food vegans who have confided in me. They all had to stop their diets and add in some raw cheese, milk, and eggs and in some cases fish because they simply couldn't keep going on like that.

    It's pretty well known in the raw food community that alot of the old timer raw food vegans often get Parkinson's and other serious degenerative diseases. http://www.fseeley.com/LeadersoftheVeganMovementDevelopParkinson.pdf

    That's no surprise since Chinese medicine recognizes Parkinson's as liver and kidney yin deficiency, and the best foods to build up liver and kidney yin are animal products, DHA, fish oils, vitamin A (retinol, not beta carotene)..

    Yeah, these old vegan Parkinson's victims aren't dying of cancer or heart disease...yes, their blood is clean and they're alkaline. Whooptey DOO. I don't want Parkinson's. I don't want to be pale and emaciated. I want to live to a ripe old age.

    Ever wonder why raw food vegans will go on and on about vegan tortoises that live to 175, like that somehow makes the diet a longevity promoting one? Perhaps it's because they cannot provide ONE SINGLE example of a 100% raw food vegan living beyond the age of 90.

    George Bernard Shaw was a vegan, right? No. He attempted a 100% vegan diet, but suffered from anemia and had to start incorporating dairy and eggs into his diet, then eventually liver.

    Norman Walker? He lived to 118! (Or maybe it was 99, or maybe it was 105...regardless, he was old). Norman Walker was a father of the raw food vegan community. Only he wasn't a vegan at all. He consumed raw goat milk, especially raw goat cream (which he liked to mix into his carrot juice, thus creating the conditions for the beta carotene conversion)

    The jig is up; most of the truly healthy, good-looking raw food vegans in the community eat eggs and consume some raw dairy. They are guilted into maintaining their vegan facade from a community hellbent on physical degeneration at all costs...and this problem swells as the community grows and people point to the healthy glow and impressive physiques of leaders in the raw "vegan" community..leaders like Daniel Vitalis and David Wolfe--and this misleads them in regards to the merits of such a diet.

    That's why I'm so impressed by what Daniel has done here. Bravo.
  • Paulliveg
    You say that lots of old time raw vegans have died of Parkinson's, yet in the reference you gave only one (Herbert Shelton) was named. That's one big extrapolation! I noted that it is not uncommon for raw vegans to live past 90 (Hilton Hotema, Sophie Holzgreen, just to name a couple). Plant based cultures are noted as long lived, though they are not vegetarians. Vegan SDAs also are known for longevity. How many meat based cultures are known for longevity? The need for some supplementation on the raw vegan diet is well taken. However the need for supplementation on the meat based diet is far greater (read Atkins et al).
  • Daniel R
    Read Biochemical Individuality by Roger Williams. It more then proves diversity in the human biochemistry. Which means that while we did originally evolve in a tropical area (I have a pic of an orangutan hunting with a spear and chimpanzees are known for being omnivorous. These facts in and of themselves 'should' open your perspective.) that we most defiantly also evolved in all the diverse environments of the world into which we moved. Just like the mocking bird in the Galapagos islands (Charles Darwin). Which means that some people are designed to eat more plants while others evolved to eat more animals. Tell your theory's to an Eskimo. How many strawberries do you know grow in ice? If it were not for meat Eskimos would have never survived. Read Nutritional and Physical Degeneration to see the health of this hardy group. Or look at the pictures. What more do you want? A healthy Eskimo to kick your ass so you can feel first hand what healthy eating can produce? I know a lot of vegans and sorry most can't throw a rock to hit this level of physical perfection. This is common sense and even funny to argue about. Shows how destructive the ego can be.
  • Paulliveveg
    I once read a book by Viljhalmar Stephansson the Canadian artctic explorer. He compared the health of Hunzas and traditional Inuit. He noted that the Inuit were extremely healthy but also conceded that they lived only to about age 70 at the most. He was not biased against them as he enthusiastically adopted the Inuit diet himself. How many Masai do we know of who lived to 100, let alone 80? As to healthy raw vegans, check out Dr. Graham's blog for profiles of lfrv endurance athletes. Dr. Graham himself looks very fit and muscular, as do Roger Haeske, Charlie Abel, Harley Johnston, Freelee. Humans can adapt resourcefully to harsh conditions. A wide food base is advantegeous to species survival (insurance against famine), but as CR researchers have found, species survival may be antagonistic to optimum individual health and longevity. After we have reproduced, in Nature's eyes we are expendable.
  • chad81
    I've read Biochemical Individuality, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, and also The Metabolic Typing Diet. I used to believe in biochemical individuality, but have concluded it's rubbish. I've taken advanced tests and come out as a 'protein type'. If that was true then I should not be thriving on a high fruit, raw vegan diet. But I am.

    Yes, I'm aware of the fact that other primates have been observed hunting. They'll seek other food sources if their preferred foods are scarce. Their forests are being cut down, and with the forest also goes their foods. In many instances the hunting not about food, but for dominance, territory, or to win over females possibly.

    Eskimos are not healthy. The Inuit live 10-12 years less than other Canadians. They have high rates of osteoporosis and strokes. This is hardly an adaptation to diet. They haven't even adapted to their environment. They still need artificial heat, shelter, and much clothing to survive.

    In school you learn human anatomy and physiology. You don't learn A&P of S. Americans one week and then A&P of Inuit the next week. Overall everybody functions in the same way.

    Oh and must you bring up the 'weak vegan' thing again. Guess what? I know plenty of scrawny weak meat eaters as well. You're making a bad generalization. You're talking about the vegans that drink soda, and load up on processed soy foods and other vegan junk. The vegans that eat well and do resistance training are quit muscle bound and strong.
  • Gilles Trahan
    Hi chad81.

    I'm from Canada and know a thing or two about the Inuit. They used to be nomads. Early in the 20th century, the canadian goverment decided that the way these people lived was savage and not very healthy. But mostly for territorial sovereignty did they creat villages for them. So they went from being a nomadic to a sedentary people. They started eating the SAD. That's when every started crashing for them. Alcohol, sugary and processed foods made their way into their liefstyle. Now, they're plagued by diabeties, obeseity and other desieses. They were fine before the white man imposed his way of living, like he has done on every continent. I'm not Inuit, I'm french canadian and not by any means anti-vegan. I am however, exploring various avenues. I find it extremely confusing because every has his point of view. All of the gurus whether vegan or other has something to sell; 811 diet, 100% raw food diet... It would be simpler if everyone was unbiased and had no money to gain! Just go on the sites, I think you know what I mean. If being 100% raw vegan works for you, that's great! Don't stop!

    Franco
  • Josiahmarquez
    how much can you bench press? LOL
  • Erin
    I study evolution and ecology and I must add that the human population is always evolving and natural selection is always acting upon us. Human populations that started to eat meat, cook food, or obtained food from agriculture (grains, legumes, milk, etc) experienced natural selection like any population of organism that has its environment change. This can occur in the time periods previously discussed here. Simply because we ate a certain way thousands of years ago does not imply that that diet is the optimal diet for modern humans. It doesn't mean that that diet is bad for us or not optimal, but it is incorrect when looking at evolution to say we evolved one way and then stopped evolving. Natural selection always occurs. Even organisms that have retained the same body plan since the Cambrian still have natural selection acting upon them (in this instance it is called stabilizing selection).

    As well, one must avoid confusing evolution as a natural phenomenon with evolution as gradual improvement or perfection. Evolution as a natural phenomenon does not produce better organism nor does it have a goal. What it does produce is populations of organism better adapted to their current environment.

    I do not know if a paleo, raw, vegan, or any other diet is the right diet for humans now. Maybe one of them still is (stabilizing selection). What I do know is that the word evolution has been said many times here, and I felt compelled to clarify the meaning and implications of evolution, just as anthropological, phsiological, and biochemical pov have been expressed.
  • Guest
    This argument is so ridiculous it's not even funny. Children have suffered because of parents who believe veganism is the "natural" human diet. Search for vegan or strict vegetarian babies on Google Scholar and you'll find dozens of case of children suffering from b-12, D, and other major deficiencies. Unsupplemented veganism means things like rickets and neurological damage.

    Of the babies that didn't end up in those case studies, who knows how many suffered from suboptimal development, but didn't have symptoms acute enough to be in a case study.

    Of course vegans like you will argue that these children suffered because our environment is too sterile, but there is no proof of that. The irony is that flesh that can be easily eaten raw and procured by apes, such as shellfish or insects, provides all these nutrients. A true primitive human diet would probably be roots, shellfish, small fish, insects, and other small game. I don't think humans are adapted to either a diet of all plants or all flesh.

    I respect vegans, but smart ones supplement at least with D, b-12, and DHA.

    Here is a good compilation of evidence for human omnivory. I think the best evidence is that if humans eat a diet of fruit without modern dental care, their teeth fall out. That's hardly adaptive.
  • Chandra
    There's some partial truth to your statement (that most vegans don't get good nutrition). The problem you're referring to (MALNUTRITION, basically) among those adopting a vegan -- and even a raw vegan diet is due to consuming HYBRID PRODUCE/GRAIN PRODUCTS. Carrots, beets, celery, corn, soybeans, wheat, potatoes, broccoli, cauliflower, beans, rice, to name a FEW -- are devoid of nutrition, contrary to what "they" say. Even the bananas and mangoes in the supermarkets -- and even the "health food stores" are hybrid; and while most hybrid greens contain chlorophyll, they don't offer much else. Doesn't matter if they're "organic"; a hybrid is a hybrid; spliced and diced and devoid of nutrients.

    I don't like to label myself "vegan" or anything else, but my body does not agree with animal products, and I don't consume them. And because I consume plants and potent tropical herbs that are NATURE MADE (example: dandelion, lamb's quarters, perslaine, amaranth greens, green coconut, Irish Moss from NATURAL SOURCES (meaning, growing in their NATURAL PLACEMENT), to name a few -- along with some very powerful herbs that remain unheard of by most, I've been able to not only realize nutrition and vitality, I've also reversed several health conditions.

    ORGANIC CALCIUM from the Lamb's Quarters I've been consuming has given me the best nail health ever! Years ago, I drank a quart of Irish Moss daily; just as a nutritional supplement. I go to a dentist who told me I WAS developing a cavity, but the development had been ARRESTED. I attribute it directly to the Organic Calcium I was consuming from the Irish Moss. So I don't have the weak teeth/bone issue you describe, despite my plant-based diet....

    HOWEVER -- I DO NOT subscribe to the premise that EVERYBODY MUST BE "vegan." We are NOT all the same. There are genetic constitutions that can digest/assimilate milk and meat; MY genetic constitution is NOT one of those. MY BODY functions best when I give it the NATURAL GREENS aforementioned, along with some HEALTHY fats from NATURE-MADE sources (like coconut, Brazil nuts or macadamias). I rarely use even raw agave nectar, and pre-packaged foods and snacks (even the "vegan"and "raw vegan" varieties) I almost never purchase.

    I don't subscribe to "alphabet nutrition" (vitamins) and I give little to no thought to so-called "protein"; rather, I consume NATURAL VEGETATION CELL FOOD; plant-based, water-soluble, MINERALS. And it's working, FOR ME.

    I agree with Daniel V. in that part of (My) issue in getting proper nutrition is due to having to get expensive items imported to the area where I reside (which is in the U.S.). For my optimal nutrition, I REALLY need to be living in the Tropics. My genetics has a predisposition for that region; the food and environment that best feeds ME is from tropical regions. I'm fortunate to have a "hook up" that affords me access to the nutrition my body needs.

    And as far as "germs, viruses and bacteria" are concerned, I don't get the illnesses everybody else gets because I'm a BIG consumer of ORGANIC IRON (NATURE-MADE, PLANT-BASED). ELDERBERRY is one that's readily available in these parts. DANDELION GREENS also. Then, there's those powerful herbs from the Tropics. I concern myself less with so-called "protein," and more with consuming ORGANIC IRON. It removes inflammation and OXYGENATES the body; regulating digestion and healthy bowel function (UNLIKE "ferrous" iron, which is basically akin to trying to ingest SOLID ROCK, causing constipation).

    Like Daniel V., it took years of trial and error to get to my place; and as my body is an ever-evolving organism, I'm sure I'll continue to make adjustments here and there. It's really best to remain open-minded and not judge on EITHER sides of the fence.

    OPTIMAL HEALTH is the objective; NOT being "right."

    PEACE AND HEALTH!
  • chad81
    Hi Melissa,
    Vegan or vegetarian children that do not thrive are probably either 1) eating a low calorie diet, or 2) eating a crappy diet in general. Eating a vegetarian or vegan diet does not automatically make it a healthy one. Potato chips, tortilla chips, pop, crackers. are all vegan products. Hell, vegans even have their own versions of cookies, cakes, and other sweets. Soy based make meats are also crap. What I'm talking about is a diet made up of whole, fresh, raw, ripe plants. The diet should be high in fruit in order to meet calorie requirements.

    B12... many meat eaters become deficient in this as well. B12 is a bacterial waste product. It's everywhere. It's in the dirt on organic veggies. It's not a consumption issue, but rather an absorption issue.

    Vitamin D... Get out in the sun. Humans are tropical animals. If people can't get adequate sunshine to optimize vitamin D levels all year long then they are not living in an optimal climate. If people choose to live in an unnatural climate then they will might have to turn to unnatural practices such as supplements or tan beds.

    I realize that meat can be eaten raw. It's disgusting though. Do you like to eat raw chicken, beef, eggs? How about raw livers or kidneys without any seasonings. No thank you. I'll have some mango.

    When teeth fall out from a high fruit diet it is due to unripe acidic fruits, dried fruits, and the person not practicing proper teeth care. It's not the fruit silly.
    But hey, look at those healthy Eskimos lol! They eat a lot of raw animal foods that they end up easily suffering hemorrhagic strokes. That's hardly adaptive.

    Oh and DHA is produced by the body. Fruits, and especially greens and cantaloupe, are omega-3 rich. The problem is eating way too much omega-6 fatty acids which disrupt and block the conversion of omega-3 FA's into DHA and EPA. The omega 3:6 ratio is what is important. A diet of fruits and greens will automatically give you the correct ratio. Cool huh.

    And about 'vegans like me arguing that these children suffered because our environment is too sterile'. No no no. I don't care about germs. A healthy body will easily fight them off. The germ theory is false.

    Have a great day :)
  • Winni
    I know this response is kinda late....and there isn't much I can add. However, you keep saying "do you love the taste of raw meat, chicken, livers," etc. And that is a ridiculous point. Do you love the taste of dried raw rice and beans? How about a raw corn cob? Or perhaps a big bite of a raw potato, no salt or other seasoning. Comparing raw liver to a mango is ridiculous.
  • No Winni, I would not like the taste of raw rice, beans, or potato. Anything that needs to be cooked in order to be palatable are not human foods. Human foods are also things that should not need seasonings. Fruit does not need seasoning. Raw, tender greens do not need seasoning. Comparing raw meat to fruit is not ridiculous because human foods should be appealing to us in their raw state.
  • Winni
    So we should only eat fruit and young greens? What happens when those are not in season? Or should all humans live in the tropics too? It is hard to argue against the benefits of different spices and even salt. They provide many vitamins and minerals, or they enhance the absorption of nutrients in the food they are seasoning. I have to say that your argument makes no sense and eating only fruit and "tender greens" leaves out a slew of essential nutrients.
  • I love it how this entire response basically leaves out evidence to the contrary and instead diatribes the party line. The question then becomes, do you have a child? Have you studied children's health like Shazzie did? If so then to what degree can your opinion carry weight? I proffer, not much when it comes to children. An egg twice a week with supplementation will keep Child Protective Services away from your emaciated and weak baby.

    http://www.shazzie.com/life/articles/raw_vegan_children.shtml
  • Daniel R
    Again. should an Eskimo eat fruit? I'm Northern European. Did my ancestors that colonized Europe not adapt to their environments? What about skin color. That's an adaptation. Did not their digestive systems also adapt? So we adapted in skin color but not in our digestion? To ignore where you came from is dangerous. Your one size fits all approach is also very short on logic and obvious fact.
  • chad81
    Suppose an Eskimo moved to Southern California and started eating a lot of fruit and vegetables. You think this will cause their health to decline? Not a chance. Skin color is the result of certain populations living in locations with less sunshine. We do have a physiologic need for Vitamin D, so of course the skin will lighten to make vitamin D production possible and more efficient. Tanning of the skin is an adaptation to sun exposure.

    I agree that it's dangerous to ignore where you came from. I'm not though. I came from the tropics. That's how I eat.
  • Chandra
    Hi Chad,

    Skin color is actually the result of the amount of CARBON one has in the PINEAL GLAND. This is why dark-skinned people are dark-skinned. Contrary to what "they" say, it is CARBON -- NOT "melanin" that makes dark-skinned people dark. And it is the RAYS of THE SUN that ACTIVATES the carbon. Again, "they" say it's so-called "Vitamin D." To maintain health, people with greater levels of carbon in their pineal gland require NATURE-MADE ORGANIC, PLANT-BASED IRON. The high concentration of Organic Iron in TROPICAL PLANTS best support this carbon production. But you're right in that being we are ALL carbon-based, we would all necessarily fare better by including POTENT plant-based, organic iron sources in our daily diets.

    And I don't agree that all Humans are tropical people. Maybe you're coming from the premise that because Africa is the cradle of Humanity, then we're all "Africans" and therefore all "tropical." But the average person from Norway visiting The Congo BETTER RUN for the SHADE, for the most part, to avoid BURNS. STRAIGHT-UP! Similarly, A polar bear and a gorilla could NEVER change places from their natural environments and expect to survive. They will BOTH die because they are lacking the CLIMATE and THE FOOD that supports their biology.

    On the other hand, Arnold Ehret proved that one can increase their carbon production by alkalizing the body. According to his accounts he fasted on grapes, and this Aryan man's skin became darker.

    Yes, it is dangerous and INEQUITABLE to ignore one's origins. This is the primary reason why those of Black African descent have been on the steady decline, in terms of health. The gene constitution is not amenable to the consumption of acid foods. (meat, milk, starch), yet the medical and nutritional "experts" makes no exceptions in their blanket prescriptions, nor do they have A CLUE as to what to properly prescribe for this specific gene group.
  • Daniel R
    And you think biochemical individuality is rubbish? You know Roger Williams discovered Pantothenic Acid? He had a PhD in biochemistry. So then skin color and the different sizes and shapes of the human stomach stops there? It doesn't extend into biochemical differences? So we all have exactly the same reaction to drugs? Wow, I really doubt your thriving as your critical thinking has lost any sense of logic. I would say your brain cells need more fat (which they're primarily made out of). Where does brain building fat come from? Avocados?
  • Daniel R
    Abso freaking lootly. I know many Pima Indians in the southwest no longer eating their natural foods. Have you seen their health? They weren't overweight before they started eating 'white man's food' when they lived off the environment I can promise you that. What about their propensity to alcoholism? Maybe their culture has not been around it as long as other cultures? Hmmm, just a little common sense here. You came from the tropics? What are you albino? I'm not talking about your growing years. I'm talking about your DNA. You know the stuff that takes hundreds of thousands of years to drastically change? Here is simple logic that even you can understand. Do you think lions would be healthier eating vegetables (you probably do)? Do you think they are adapted to their environment? Do you think people have less of a chance of adapting genetically then any other animal? Use some critical thinking not regurgitating crap you heard at your raw foodist meetings. Stop being closed minded and stop associating your ego with what u've learned elswhere.
  • Guest
    The DHA produced by just eating plants is not enough to support the brain development of an infant. The ADA and several studies recommend vegans supplement since conversion of the ALA is so inefficient even if you are low in omega-6.

    Studies on unacculturated Inuit show that they did not have caries even at advanced ages. Contrast that with several studies showing raw vegans have terrible teeth. Eating only domesticated fruit you will get more sugar than any primate has ever gotten.

    The children with these deficiencies were breast fed and did not have low caloric intake. There were several cases where children did and these children had even worse problems. In older adults it is a malabsorption issue, but these babies were simply not getting enough. They had no malabsorption problems.

    It's not possible to get enough vitamin D at Northern latitudes in the winter unless you are eating seafood.

    Hey, go ahead and eat your "natural" diet, but know that vegan scientists recommend supplements.

    PS, I LOVE raw meat and it's a delicacy and even a staple food in many cultures. Your distaste for it is learned.
  • chad81
    No, my distaste for raw meat is because it does not appeal to any of my senses. It doesn't look good, smell good, and it's bland tasting. Why is sweetness located on the tip of your tongue?

    So you love PLAIN raw meat?

    Not only is it not possible to get enough vitamin D at Northern latitudes in the winter, but it's impossible for humans to survive there without clothing, artificial heat, and shelter. The further away people live from the equator, the more unnaturally they live.

    Many Inuit do not live to an advanced age. Their life expectancy is over 10-12 years less than the rest of Canada.

    You and I are not on the same page with 'vegans'. I know several unhealthy vegans. You cannot lump us all into the same category. There are different categories:
    1. Junk food vegans
    2. Cooked whole food vegans
    3. High fat raw vegans
    4. Low fat raw vegans

    I can turn the table on you: There are many many people eating meat that have bad teeth. Just so you know, I don't have a single cavity. Only people that don't take care of their teeth will have problems. Show me examples of those people eating a low fat raw vegan diet that are in ill health. Want to see animal eaters in bad health? Visit any hospital.

    The whole argument about cultivated fruit is ridiculous. Our body requires sugar for fuel. Fat, or even protein, must be converted into sugar before it can be used for fuel.

    If an infant is not producing enough DHA, look at the mother. If her diet is not optimal then her breast milk will not be either.
    The body will produce enough DHA if the process is not gummed up by omega-6 FA's and if you also supply optimal amounts of the other nutrients needed for the conversion.
  • Guest
    "People who eat an all meat diet have their teeth fall out as well"

    Really? How many people do you know who eat all meat who have no teeth? What studies are you referring to?

    Here is a real study on the teeth of raw vegans
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9831783?dopt=Abstract

    In comparison, the dental health of meat eating cultures
    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html

    http://jdr.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/54/6/1245.pdf
    Mind you these low numbers were when the Inuit diet was already changing for the worse. I'm not talking about SAD eaters that eat crap when I'm talking about meat eaters, I'm talking about people from traditional cultures.

    Inuit also got adequate levels of Vitamin D, which is found in seafood.
    http://anthro.palomar.edu/adapt/adapt_4.htm
    This is widely accepted in all scientific circles and the reason Inuit did not evolve light skin despite being in such a dark climate.

    Conversion of ALA to DHA is very low and certainly not enough to support a growing child. Reputable vegan nutritionists recommend a supplement.

    Pretty much everything you said is counter to established science and counter to reputable vegan nutritionists like VIrginia Messina. If you are going to do veganism, get some freaking supplements and stop harping on about how "natural" your diet is. Veganism is ultimately about animals, not about going to some magical special time when humans ate just fruit.
  • Daniel R
    @ Melissa
    I respect your comments and critical thinking. Do you have a website or how can I get in touch to learn more? You seem to really know your stuff?
  • Andrew
    @chad81
    Chad, I respect your comments and critical thinking. Do you have a website or how can I get in touch to learn more? You seem to really know your stuff?

    Thanks

    Andrew (hewitta11(at)aim.com )
  • jack
    I do recommend supplements if you're living in a northern latitude, but it (or meat) is no replacement for the sun.

    And you do realize that starch is just complex sugar, right? It is eaten complex carbs and digested simple carbs (glucose).

    And once again, a "raw vegan" diet can mean a huge array of different things. I have no doubt that there are tons of ways to make a raw vegan diet deficient or excessive in many respects. So unless you can get into specifics about the diet/lifestyle, then it's hard to discern things.

    I recommend Vit D and b12 to both vegans and meat eaters in certain situations.
  • Jack
    Humans on all types of diets have dental problems. People who eat an all meat diet have their teeth fall out as well. People who eat cooked food have their teeth fall out.

    Those babies fed a vegan diet weren't harmed because of the fact that the foods were plants, but because they weren't fed adequate calories, something most people don't pay attention to. Plus, just summarizing a diet as "vegan" is way too broad. That could mean eating a diet of only white flour and high fructose corn syrup. Even the description "raw vegan" is too broad, that could mean you only eat "celery, apples, carrots and almonds," a diet that is bound to fail with everyone. A healthy diet is necessarily vegan, but a vegan diet isn't necessarily healthy.

    As for b-12, I'd say it's not just a vegan issue, but a vegetarian and omnivore issue, too. Many athletes, vegan or not, supplement with b-12 and see enormous improvements. Vitamin D is a sunlight issue and meat eaters experience a vitamin D deficiency as much as vegans do if not exposed to enough sunlight. I'd recommend supplementation where needed but it's not a necessity. And DHA? who says you can't get all the beneficial omega 3 and 6 fatty acids from plant food?
  • Pamela
    Oh dear, I can see this turning into yet another pro-hunting website. It's going to attract all kinds of rednecks soon.
  • "Oh dear, I can see this turning into yet another pro-hunting website. It's going to attract all kinds of [undesirable ethnic group] soon."

    What a lovely, tolerant, open-minded comment. Such welcoming of diversity.
  • Hi Daniel
    I am sure you are sincere, however how sustainable would it be for 7 billion people to eat wild animals? There are simply not enough to go around! In neanderthal times, it was perhaps appropriate however for today's world we cannot afford to continue eating any kind of meat. We are eating the planet to death. An environmentally conscious person would never recommend eating animal products for this reason, irrespective of whatever health benefits you claim from your animal diet. Here in Australia there are 24 million kangaroos and 21 million Australians (set to double by 2036). How sustainable would it be for everyone to eat kangaroos? They'd be extinct within a year especially because kangaroos are eaten by pets and exported to 54 countries. The oceans are already seriously overfished and the marine food chain is collapsing. Whales are beaching in starved condition. By influencing others to eat meat you are doing a huge disservice to the planet, irrespective of how you personally feel the short term benefits. There is no long-lived society that ate a lot of meat. In time the acidity of your fad diet will catch up with you.
  • plasmalove
    Australia is so huge and badly managed land, you could if you put careful thoughts into it easily rear cows, pigs, poultry, fishes ect.. for the whole population.
    I don't think eating meat everyday is good for you, everyday a different protein (steaks, chicken, eggs, cheese, salad, fruits and nuts, pick and mix).
    It is our leaders and corporations who are the problem, they do not put proper thoughts into their actions, always gain in front of for the good of all!We need to gain knowledge from nature not try to dominate her!Respect her, she gave us our life after all!
    We need to relearn great man Like Shuberger, Goethe and others who listened and observe the wild!
    Everyone could have land where forests, vegetable plots, field for cow or mutton and house, all in harmony (even with car running on water (used thoughfully again!)).No need to go back in our caves as some said, we can and will do better!Shuberger said it will need a lot of us to restore this earth!And earth can give abundantly, for ever if only we could spend more time learning from her. Imagine now with our super computer, we could prove so much from the old invisible world, but it seems ths quantum field as been put to secrecy!!!What are they hidding from us?
    There is no limit to the good we could do if only greed was vainquish!
  • kimberly
    it is called moderation..people need to learn to put balance in our lives by all aspects.

    peace~
  • John
    Menkit, I agree we overfish and have destroyed much of the earth in general. I'm don't eat any animals products with the exception of a piece of desert now and then that may have some milk or an egg in it. I'm not saying I support what Daniel is saying, but I also think you are making a bit extreme statements. There are societies that have lived for many generations and STILL ARE surviving eating lots of meat, probably much more than Daniel is eating. I agree that commercial farming is terrible and that eating too much is unhealthy for you, but eating a moderate amount of wild meat isn't going to give you a heart attack or destroy a society prematurely.

    -John from Lakeland, FL
  • johnburchell
    Daniel!

    Courageous writing bro. I grew up in Canada hunting where we "thanked the animal for giving it's life so we can continue ours"...that's true about everything even a head of broccoli. Also another great prayer was "may all those animals who wish to give themsleves please show up on the path" ... this was truly amazing.

    I just came back from Thailand with my son where we ate the raw fish we spearfished as sashimi with raw wild greens, coconut, wild berries. Even ate sun-dried free range grass-fed beef with Thai spices. A lot of ancient cultures used the aging with enzymes to make the meat more digestible. I've been raw vegetarian for quite a while but my "body instinct" was craving raw wild fish etc. So I went with it. I'm certainly NOT into telling people what to eat, but what I do value is getting closer and closer to genuine body instinct to make these choices. That said I think a lot of cleansing and detox needs to take place on physical, emotional, spiritual levels to experience greater clarity on genuine instinct...

    If anything i simply deeply respect your courage to think for yourself and come "out of the closet" ha ha...

    All the best John Burchell in Hong Kong www.lifeforceman.com
  • Hi Menkit: humanity as a whole ate meat for two and a half million years in a long-term sustainable balanced fashion; the only vegan hominin known to science was Paranthropus boisei, and they went extinct over a million years ago. There is absolutely no scientific debate in the anthopological community that meat has been an essential component of the human diet throughout our evolutionary history. You can't substitute ethics for a dietary requirement dictated by evolutionary history.

    I think that we'd both agree that humanity has badly overshot the planet's carrying capacity. The problem is that vegetarianism is no answer either, as it's dependent on unsustainable agricultural practices that involve topsoil and aquifer depletion, huge fossil fuel inputs in the form of fuel, pesticides, and fertilizers, massive deforestation and habitat destruction leading to desertification, and of course animal bykill.

    Ethical, sustainable hunting, on the other hand, is far less environmentally destructive than monocultural agriculture, CAFOs, or even polyculture.

    We are not going to solve the planet's environmental problems by continuing to devastate its ecologies through unsustainable farming. You really should give Lierre Keith's The Vegetarian Myth a read.
  • Hi Fearsclave
    Just because man ate mean for millions of years doesn't mean he can't evolve into a more evolved diet.

    Our history has been one of pillaging, rape, conquest, murder, anthropocentrism. Are we going to insist on being chained to this evolutionary history or are we going to evolve into something more compassionate and caring for fellow species?

    If you look at our dentition, for example, humans lack a single canine tooth. If we were meant to be eating meat we would have fangs like dogs and cats. Instead our teeth are spade-shaped, short and blunted like herbivores. This is as basic as you can get. Clearly we are not designed to be ripping apart flesh with our teeth.

    Other indicators that we were designed to be herbivore 100%:
    saliva contains enzymes to digest carbs
    length of small intestine is 10-11 times length of body (with carnivores it's 3-6 times)
    flattened nails (vs sharp claws)
    stomach pH is 4-5 with food (carnivores have 1 pH with food)
    long colon (vs short in carnivore)
    stomach capacity is less than 30% of entire digestive tract (carnivores it's 60-70%)
    cannot detoxify vitamin A (vs can detoxify Vit A)
    jaw motion (side to side, front to back - vs shred and swallow whole)
    well developed facial muscles to enable mouth to open wide (vs not well developed)
    moderately concentrated urine (vs very concentrated urine)
    mouth size small compared to head size (vs large)
    expanded jaw angle (vs not expanded)
    jaw above molar plane

    The whole meat-eating argument makes no sense to me at all. If people get sick on a vegan diet it's because they are either detoxing or not doing it right.

    As for your claim that plant agriculture is less destructive than meat-eating, that is not supported by science. It is well known that livestock farming is the one that leads to deforestation, soil erosion, biodiversity loss, pollution of ground and surface water, habitat destruction, air pollution, ocean acidification via fertilisers from these industries. Plus this industry uses a thousand times more water, land, energy, fossil fuels and resources than a plant-based agriculture industry.

    An example of water used by the animal agricultural industry:
    Animal agriculture uses more than half of all water used for all purposes
    To produce l lb beef requires the same amount of water you'd use for showers for a year i.e.. 5000 gallons (25 gallons to produce 1 lb wheat)
    To produce a glass of milk requires 4,000 glasses water
    Each vegetarian saves 3,700 gallons daily (1.3m gallons p.y.)

    A vegan saves over 100 animals, 1 acre of trees + 1.3m gallons water p.y.

    You have not addressed the issue of how there could possibly be enough wild animals to feed 6.9 billion people. Are you saying the oceans are not overfished?

    Truly it's time for a biocentric attitude of humans and the best one to support an attitude of lovingkindness and gentleness is a plant-based diet, preferably raw.

    Thanks,
  • @Menkit: "Just because man ate mean for millions of years doesn't mean he can't evolve into a more evolved diet. "

    Are you aware of just how long evolutionary timeframes are? Genetically, we're still identical to our Pleistocene forebears. Our bodies are still best adapted to their diet.

    "Our history has been one of pillaging, rape, conquest, murder, anthropocentrism. Are we going to insist on being chained to this evolutionary history or are we going to evolve into something more compassionate and caring for fellow species? "

    Equating eating a normal human diet with these things is moral imbecility and is offensive to victims of sexual assault, murder and racism everywhere.

    "If you look at our dentition, for example, humans lack a single canine tooth."

    This is false. Humans each have two maxilliary and mandibular canine teeth. The argument that we aren't meant to eat meat because we don't have fangs and claws is specious. We've evolved natural weaponry that's far deadlier than tooth and fang; brain, language, sweat glands, bipedalism and opposable thumbs. We developed the ability to plan hunts, hunt cooperatively, and use tools and projectiles, using (among others) persistence hunting strategies. The deadliest predator this planet has ever seen is a dozen hungry humans with kids to feed, armed with rocks and pointy sticks. We can out-think, out-communicate, out-cooperate, and kill from farther away than any other species ever. We don't need fangs and claws.

    Your dental and digestive arguments are specious because they're comparing human dentintion to specialized carnivores, which we're not. We're omnivores, which is why you can survive for extended periods of time on your diet, and we are omnivores with much bigger brains than the other predators on which your comparisons are based. Take a look at the gorilla, which is our closest vegetarian relative; our stomachs are smaller, our intestines are shorter, our teeth less specialized, and our skulls more gracile (since it doesn't have to provide anchor points for the massive muscles needed to chew masses of foliage all day long).

    Like it or not, you're an omnivore. Raw veggies rock, but you're also adapted to eat meat. Vegan diets of any sort are an attempt to impose personal ethics onto personal biology; I choose to base my diet on biology rather than unnatural sympathy for my food.

    "As for your claim that plant agriculture is less destructive than meat-eating, that is not supported by science. It is well known that livestock farming is the one that leads to deforestation, soil erosion, biodiversity loss, pollution of ground and surface water, habitat destruction, air pollution, ocean acidification via fertilisers from these industries. Plus this industry uses a thousand times more water, land, energy, fossil fuels and resources than a plant-based agriculture industry. "

    You're talking about CAFO's, and there we agree; factory farmed meat is just as bad, if not worse, for the planet than other forms of industrial agriculture. It actually compounds the ecological devastation caused by grain agriculture by running the grain through animals not adapted to eat grains, and then sequestering their waste instead of pumping it back into the ecosystem as fertilizer. However, none of that applies to wild meat, and it doesn't apply to pastured or free-range meat either.

    Google "polyculture". Joel Salatin's Polyface Farms is a good place to start; it's an excellent example of how it's possible to raise high-quality meat in an environmentally friendly way, by organizing a farm to mimic natural food chains and ecological relationships, instead of collapsing, destroying, and radically simplifying them. I'm lucky enough to live ten minutes away from a local pastured beef farm. You would not believe how good the meat is...

    "You have not addressed the issue of how there could possibly be enough wild animals to feed 6.9 billion people. Are you saying the oceans are not overfished?"

    Oh, there certainly isn't enough wilderness and ocean left to sustainably feed 7 billion people. There never was to begin with. And we can't feed that many people for very much longer using conventional agriculture, either, so everybody going vegan is no solution. In fact, due to veganism's reliance on agriculture, it'd just worsen matters. Regardless, if we don't drastically modify our food production and distribution systems globally, we're going to run out of fossil fuel, topsoil, and fresh water a few decades down the road. Just like any other animal species that's overshot its carrying capacity, the excess population is going to succumb to starvation and disease, there's going to be some serious environmental degradation, further lowering carrying capacity, and the population and carrying capacity at the end of the crash is going to be considerably lower. I'm betting we're going to see gigadeaths by the end of this century. Happily I'm not going to be around to collect.

    I fully agree that humanity needs to adopt a biocentric attitude, but one that's based on a clear understanding of what we are and our ecological niche as opposed to misplaced if heartfelt sentiment, and one that emphasizes broadening, deepening, and increasing the ecological complexity of our food chain as opposed to the anthopocentric reductionism of modern agriculture.


  • plasmalove
    Yes I agree with u, also because we can adapt to so many diets made us able to survive so long!
  • Fearsclave, no matter how you cut it, the only way a person can kill an animal is to not feel its terror and pain. All creatures want to live and do not want to die. Nothing is as important to them as their life - and you are taking it away without a thought of it's wishes.
    Being vegan is the only guilt-free way to live and it's also the diet of compassion. All other diets are in denial about the way in which they cause others pain.
    IF the human species is to evolve spiritually, we must embrace all creatures with the same respect and concern for their happiness as we ourselves would wish.

    That's all I have to say.
  • plasmalove
    I agree it is hard for me to kill anything, let alone an animal I have reared.But I was wondering is it because of our society pushing this agenda?Like look all those Disney movies, always picturing a talking animal, all cuddly and all, who would dare kill it and eat it?
    Now you have killing factory, without soul.I think before we used to respect and admire wild animals!Old tribes used to admire and copy wolfs, the myth of werewolfs comes from those ancient ways, were wise man dressed as wolf and went into trance to capture their essences!
    We used to treat life with a lot of respect, listening to old wise woman, we were not barbarics!
  • Xvall
    "All creatures want to live and do not want to die."

    And? You are aware that plants are living organisms too? How many vegetables are given the illusion of the possibility of life, only to be plucked from their only source of nutrition, ground up and eaten? You are taking away a living organism's life without a thought to it's wishes every time you eat a carrot, every time your species builds a house made of wood, every time you walk to see a movie and stomp on countless insects you aren't paying attention to - just so that you can have some entertainment and financially support a theater that takes the what would be future children of corn plants, boils them in oil and and coats them in butter (those poor cows). The cognitive dissonance you feel on a regular basis must be amazing. It sounds like the only way for you to avoid taking life on this planet is to lay down and willingly let other animals and micro-organisms that have the ambition to do it have their way with you and consume you - you know, the ones that you're striving to protect? You consider it immoral to decide that a creature should die, but seem to have no problem with the manner that these animals take the lives of other animals to sustain themselves.
  • dirkdonggler
    This is where, I think, humanity will come full circle and start saying grace again before meals together.

    Only this time--with full consciousness of all the life we are taking from beings in order to live our lives---we will actually mean the prayer we say at the table. The prodigal son will finally come home.
  • Menkit: I have to say that you are wrong on almost every count here.

    Yes, all creatures want to live and strive to survive. However, on the level of ecology, individual lives and instinctive drives to survive count for nothing. Indeed, a functioning ecology requires death (and the concomitant fear, pain, and suffering) in order to function. An ecosystem is a vast assemblage of interrelated cycles whereby beings die, are eaten and subsumed into other beings which die and are eaten in turn. The beauty of nature masks constant predation, death, pain, suffering and eating. It is a fundamental reality that animal life feeds on other life. You are no exception, and if you think that your diet avoids causing harm to animals by relying solely on plant-based foods, you need to research the horrendous ecological impact of modern agriculture: you bear as much guilt as anybody else for the animal death and suffering caused by habitation destruction, deforestation, pesticide use, harvest bykill, pest control, fossil fuel use, topsoil and aquifer depletion, and the industrial, transportation and distribution infrastructures required to get your food to the table.

    The world is made of food; everybody is food, you and I and your veggies and that snowshoe hare I shot a couple of weeks ago. It sucks to be food, but there's no avoiding it. You may be afraid of this fact, or be in active denial about it, but someday, you will die. So will I. So will every other living thing on this planet. Something will eat us (preferably soil bacteria as opposed to, say, a grizzly bear). And our eating ethically sourced meat such as wild fish and game or local, pastured or free-range meat is no wronger or spiritually degrading than it is for those bacteria or that bear to eat us. Your distaste for it, no matter how heartfelt, is merely misplaced sentimentality and an avoidance of the realities of life and nature. Saying that we should feel guilty for eating ethically sourced meat (especially hunted wild game, which is the most cruelty-free meat there is) is moral nonsense; you might as well reproach a hawk or coyote for their predation.

    The animals that you profess to care for know this. You may have a vision of nature that's been twisted by exposure to Disney movies, and have never participated in the ecosystem more mindfully than making sure that the labels on your supermarket produce say "organic", but predation drives evolution; deer would not be deer without the wolf; wolf would not be wolf without the deer. And we would not be human without the species we've preyed on over the past two and a half million years. If I walk by a grouse without flushing it, this does not mean that it will die happily in bed of old age surrounded by its loved ones; something else will catch, kill, and eat it, with far less concern for minimizing its suffering than I will have. All species are prey for other species; predation is as natural as photosynthesis and as morally blameless.

    And there is absolutely no debate that we evolved as predators, and that our genome has yet to change to comply with the wishes of those who are uncomfortable with this fact.

    And for what it's worth, you are dead wrong in saying that "the only way that a person to kill an animal is to not feel its terror and pain". I empathize deeply with the game that I shoot. I understand their reactions and reflexes. I know the anatomy of the game I hunt and how to place my shots so as to minimize its sufferingt and waste as little meat as possible. I know the effect bullets and shotgun pellets have on living flesh; I see it when I walk up to the broken bodies, and when I gut them, clean them, and prepare them for cooking. I am aware, far more intimately and personally than you, of the way in which my diet causes (and my existence necessitates) pain and death.

    It is impossible for a thinking, feeling human being to not feel empathy for what he or she hunts. Believe me. Hunting isn't all about the killing, though; if it were, it'd be easier and cheaper to buy kittens and mash them with a hammer. Hunting has a much deeper element of spiritual connection with nature and achieving an understanding of what you are and what it means to be alive, although I doubt that you'd be capable of understanding this yet. I'd argue that a spirituality based on conscious, reflexive seeking to understand and accept reality (both biological and ecological), and on mindful participation in the ecosystem is further evolved than one that's based on avoidance and denial of ecological reality and what we are. I'd prefer to explore and seek an understanding of what I am, as opposed to pretending that I am something that I am not. The difference between you and I is that I understand what we are and accept it.

    Veg(etari)anism doesn't free you of guilt. It merely gives you a mechanism to shelter yourself from misplaced sentimental guilt. I prefer to understand the biological reality of what we are (social, bipedal, tool-using omnivorous apes adapted for hunting and eating a diet that contains meat) and the ecological implications of this fact, accept it, and incorporate this truth into my worldview and spirituality, as opposed to hiding from it.
  • Paulliveveg
    You come by your viewpoint honestly, no doubt. And I share your distrust of ideological purity. If you had said, "This is what i found out and what works for me," I would have no reason to comment further. But you and your supporters go further in stating that meat is essential for human nutrition, that all vegans are emaciated and weak, delusional, and will sicken in the long run, and that vegan diet harms the enviroment most of all.
    If eating organisms closest to us (as opposed to plants) is essential and healthy, then eating humans should be healthiest of all. It would away with so many problems. Government expenses would shrink because we would no longer need to support the elderly, feeble, and poor. Validates social Darwinism and does away with sloppy sentimentalism. It solves the problem of feeding 7 billion people. With persistence we can get our food stock population down to manageable levels in no time.

    Like you, i have had difficulties applying the raw vegan diet. I made mistakes (eating not enough calories, too much protein and fat, too little greens, etc.). But my health problems worsened when I ate an Atkins-like diet. When I was 7 in rural Finland in 1950, all i wanted to eat was various berries, apples, cabbage, carrots. Yes, the selection was limited then. We kids one day watched a farmer butcher an animal. I recall that I felt no revulsion but was curious as to what was inside a living being. But at no time did i consider any of that as food. In fact I wouldn't eat meat even though my mother tempted me for my health's sake. In time I grew to love meat but it was an acquired taste like tobbaco or alcohol. I also used it to self-medicate to numb my feelings. I would love it if meat were good for my health as I am fond of stake, ribs, hamburger, and don't get me started on KFC. If that were so, i could probably chuck any ethical considerations, as my self-interest and sensual impulses are more powerful. But, call me hopelessly sentimental, i draw the line at eating my fellow human beings. One of the most powerful obstacles to my staying on the raw vegan diet is that most people take offence at my vegan diet. That puzzles me as I do not insist that they eat as i do.

    As to horticulture destroying ecology, nomadic herders created the Sahara through overgrazing. The Nile basin has unfailingly supplied the ancient world with grain as long as the annual floods came. The fertile crescent was fertile as long as the complex system of canals were maintained to irrigate and mitigate the consequences of catastrophic flooding. That required a strong competent central government. With internal upheavals and foreign predations the infrastructure was neglected and the land suffered. You rightly point out that slash and burn and modern chemical monoculture harms the land. But you imply that there are no other options. Chinese farmers have produced sustainable crops for 4,000 years. Organic farming and permaculture can sustainable. Wherein do fruit and nut trees harm the land, especially in a polyculture context?
  • Chandra
    Well said, Fearsclave. And this is coming from someone who chooses not to eat animal products!
  • Welcome to the hunt.

    Taking up hunting was one of the best things I ever did. Some observations:

    1) you cannot get enough target practice. You cannot get enough target practice. You cannot get enough target practice.
    2) you should be aware that arrows are not as immediately incapacitating as rifle bullets or shotgun slugs. I know guys who won't bowhunt until there's snow on the ground, so they can track wounded deer more easily. Whatever your choice of weapon you cannot spend enough time learning to track.
    3) you should give Jose Ortega y Gassett's Meditations on Hunting a read. Paul Shepard's Coming Home To The Pleistocene is also worth a read.
    4) Wild turkey is delicious and the spring hunt is practically upon us.

    Happy hunting!
  • SoothingVibrations
    Daniel,

    It' me

    How do I keep my teeth man?
  • Pamela
    Well written Daniel. However I believe dental cavities are caused by our refined flour and sugar diets (as well as dyes and other artificual rubbish). And the overcrowding of teeth as the jaw gets smaller is due to the evolution of man from having a large primal jaw to the smaller jaw of moder man.
  • Daniel R
    Just read the book Daniel talks about before you spout off simple vegan poster points. Dr. Price proved it. Show me where he was wrong.
  • animamazon
    hi daniel,

    thanks for sharing your journey. i have always been suspicious of extremism; as the saying goes: "everything in moderation, even moderation".

    so, how often or to what percentage are you including meat and animal products at this point? someone, a few comments up, is concerned about the environmental cost of animal products, but i think that may stem from the notion that if you eat meat you eat it on a regular basis, like on the SAD diet. surely, hunting one's own meat will not yield daily or even weekly meats. disconnection from our food sources is really a big issue for us humans. if everyone hunted their own meat, grew their own vegetables, milked their own milks and made cheeses etc, we would develop a natural respect and honoring of the sources that provide us with life and nourishment.

    it seems like the raw/vegan lifestyle was the natural answer to the standard diet that developed after the 50's. the pendulum swings from one extreme to another. now we are coming to the zero point in time as gregg braden likes to call it. perhaps our diet will eventually also reflect this neutral point of consciousness, the pendulum is finding it's balance point; we are co-creating a true alchemical synergy of live. and what is alchemy but the conscious exchange of energy; energy flowing from one state into another? to recognize this brings true transformation. there is no death, there is only love.
  • johnschott
    Hey Dan,
    How’s it going brother? This is John from Miami- been meaning to write and congratulate you on this awesome blog. What better entry than this one? I totally admire your honesty and support you fully with the way we are shifting the movement to one devoid of dogma and flourishing with true freedom. For all those who follow these comments- I too was a mostly vegan as I always stood strong with wild honey and other bee products, but have been doing tons of research and experimenting with Price Pottenger themes and other modes of robust indigenous nutrition. I can attest that I feel like I’m 17 again. In high school I was strong, athletic and thrived quite a bit with everything I did. In the last seven years or so on a “vegan” lifestyle I sort of battled with the ethics, philosophy of the whole thing and did not notice- or perhaps didn’t want to notice- how my vitality, sex drive and natural strength had diminished. Not so anymore incorporating bone broths, animal foods, and cultured dairy products in addition to my lifefood practices & superfoods have created a next level sensation in my life. Wild water and all of your examples and honesty, Dan, have been also a big factor in my transformation. I’m working on a teaching blog that will soon show my experiences and hopefully share additional vital information and examples of happy, vital & robust health. Hope to catch up with you again soon and blessings always brother.

    John

    oh btw, wait 'til you catch with some of the plans I have to shift the restaurant...
  • RawAction
    I gotta say, I disagree with you on the meat thing for the following reason: If every person on earth decided to eat this way - would it not be a sustainability disaster? I mean let's think of the amount of water needed by wild animals so they can become our food - we'd have to find a way of breeding them, even if it wasn't specifically through traditional farming, to get enough bison or other animals for us all to eat? I'm no dogmatic, raw vegan is the only way kinda girl, I just can't help but to think there has got to be a kinder way to be with the animals on this planet. Whaddya reckon Daniel?
  • dariussohei
    hey daniel, after the workshop in walnut creek i read primal body primal mind, the primal blueprint, and the vegetarian myth - it's great stuff!
    now, i'm getting into aajonus's work... intense eh? some of his ideas are a bit ..., but the idea that nature isn't dirty or wasteful is right on. hard to get fresh raw meat, so i'll settle for frozen, local, grass fed. interesting to see how to balance cleansing and building cycles of nutrition.
  • danielvitalis
    Darius,

    Glad to hear it! Lets fuse all of this information into a new culture. One free of dogma, and one that supports our health fully and completely!

    Have you tried eatwild.com for meat sources?

    Thanks for writing!
  • dariussohei
    yes, i'm taking the time to research eatwild.com. an initial issue i have with it is that it pretty much only advertises conventional animals. there is 2 meat markets in the area i've tracked down that seem to carry wild game at times.
    i'm hoping aajonus' books will answer some questions i have about eating raw meat, like the video you shot with frankie g.
    specifically, can you eat frozen-thawed raw meat? what about ground raw meat? how fresh is ground meat and what is it made of? scraps? of course i'm only talking about high quality meats, and if i'm mail-ordering elk/antelope/bison/etc then it wouldn't be exactly freshly killed & butchered.
    so many questions... plus i'd like to avoid the emotional reactions that a lot of the blogs and forums cultivate... :)
  • TreeUnion
    Thank you Daniel. Can you do a video on pine pollen / flower pollen at some point?
  • danielvitalis
    Tree Union!

    I will in time, and think that Cat Tail Pollen is where I will be focused!

    ~D
  • Thank you, you are changing the world. the honesty shines through.
  • danielvitalis
    Thanks Linda!
  • Zara

    What is healthy for us might not be what we want to eat.
    I would rather be a vegan but I am not willing to sacrifice my health any longer.
    You are a born teacher , whether you intended to be or not.

    You are the first teacher I have listened to that makes us explore for ourselves instead or obeying someone else's ideas.

    You have taught us so much, but you haven't actually told us what we should do, you don't have the "daniel vitalis" diet.
    You are just you, and that is enough. Thank you for that.

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." —Aristotle
  • danielvitalis
    Zara,

    Thank you for your words! There is no Daniel diet, because my own diet is a pursuit and quest that is always in transition. I have learned this though, that humans seem to eat everything in our ecosystem that is edible, and the disease we have experienced in the last century are less about what type of food we eat and more about what that food eats (to include the soil) and what we do to that food.

    We are all learning together!

    Thanks so much for being here!

    ~D
  • Li Ming
    What do you think of the China Study? It seems to be the cut off point of any vegan conversation, all they say is go read the china study, its all you need to know.
    I haven't read it yet but as a Chinese American, I find it very strange that they concluded a vegan diet is healthy by studying the chinese.

    There is a chinese saying :
    Eat everything that has four legs, except tables.

    Chinese people think the more meat the better , and will eat anything that walks,swims or flies. We will just have soy as a condiment to meat. The only chinese people who dont eat meat, are to poor to afford it, but would if they had the money!
  • danielvitalis
    Li Ming!

    Thanks for that! I agree, and find the China study to be flawed in the upmost!

    I recently interviewed Lierre Kieth, the author of "The Vegetarian Myth", and asked her about the China Study. Her comments are great, and I will post the interview soon!

    Ha! Anything with 4 legs except tables!

    Thats hilarious!

    ~D
  • greg
    I wonder if David Wolfe is still 100% raw vegan. He looks distinctly more robust than all the raw vegans around him. Just getting it out there. I dont mean to sound rude but he doesn't have the stripped weakling look of his followers.

    The only raw vegans that look healthy seem to eat nothing but superfoods and green smoothies. But when everyone people reads their books they seem to think they can survive on fruit and veg from the supermarket! I have heard some raw food people say that you dont need to supplement on a raw vegan diet, that "nature" provides everything you we need in fresh fruits and vegetables. To be a successful raw vegan, you need to be obsessed with your diet, and throw alot of money at superfoods and drink gallons of green smoothies . Noone else back on earth, can achieve this, only these raw food rock stars can because their diet is their life.
  • danielvitalis
    Greg,

    David is no longer "Vegan". He consumes things like Velvet Antler extract, Deer Placenta extract, insects, etc...

    It is interesting to note that he does look so good, and that he does these things while so many others don't.

    It will be interesting to see the directions that the Vegan proponents go over the next few years!

    We are forging a new culture. Exciting!

    ~D
  • robtew
    Hi Carol, I consume raw colostrum kefir from organic pastures. They don't have that particular product listed on their website - I get it at the local co-op. I 100,000% agree with Daniel that colostrum is where it's at! Super amazing potent stuff (great hangover cure)! It definitely packs a punch, you can feel every fiber of your body being rejuvenated. If I can offer any advice to you Carol... It'd be this -- that life should be enjoyed, every moment should be special and free of worry. The moment we label ourselves vegan, vegetarian, fruitarian, blah blah blah blah blah... than we separate ourselves from others. Life + Love = Unity, it's about interconnectedness, about becoming one, about synergy, about interdependence -- the moment you proclaim to the world that your way is better (like Hitler did), the best way or the only way than you're unplugging yourself from the matrix of unification and disconnecting from the source of Love. So many people put so much of their energy into worrying about what to eat that they lose the value of every precious moment. I'd rather live a lot of life free of worry and die at 50 than live to be 200 worrying every "freakin" single day about all my food choices. Remember, that life isnt measured by how many breaths you take or how long you lived, but by how many moments take your breath away. I think chronic "hydrogenated" worriness could create all kinds of health problems anyhow... My goal in life is to be free, free to be me, free to allow others to be who they are, free to make my own choices without feeling guilty, without being judged or burned at the stake. Fat, tall, skinny, vegan, meatatarian, freakatarian, sexatarian or geekatarian, we're all beautiful. When you realize that you're more than your body than you'll come to appreciate everyone regardless of how they look. Because in the end you're measured not by your "gut", food choices or your possessions - you're measured by what you give, and everyone, regardless of what they eat, how long they sleep, how beautiful their skin is, etc... can serve. I say pull those weeds of worriness out of your head, deconstruct the old you and erase all those boundaries of rules you created for yourself and just enjoy life. If you want to have a big fat greasy bison burger with raw cheese in an organic ezekiel bun with a glass of organic sulfite-free wine than do it I say!!! Just don't forget to invite me over (I'll bring a keg of colostrum). Cheers! Robert FYI: Stop by my site (www.LiveLifeHappy.com - sorry for the self-promotion) and say hi...
  • danielvitalis
    Thanks Rob!
  • Lander
    Daniel,
    One year ago I started looking into the raw food diet but never felt deep down it was the right path for me. So from all of you guy's I have taken what I need to hear/do for me at that moment for myself and never worried about what anyone eles thought I should do. Listen and you will hear. All of the answers are inside of you.
  • danielvitalis
    Exactly!
  • Tamara Torres
    Hey Daniel,
    I hear you are living in the magical cabin in shapleigh! I was one of the residents there this past summer (my partner is Madge Baker's granddaughter) and think it is truly sacred land. Prior to leaving Maine (I moved to New York for graduate school) I was working as a holistic personal chef and massage therapist. Given your food interests, I wondered if you had met Oliver Outerbridge (who owns Bonobos on Pine street in Portland). He is also a primal diet enthusiast and might really enjoy connecting with you. Let me know if you have any local-food questions about southern Maine and I would be happy to pass along anything I know from my seven years in the area. Many blessings for your life in the cabin!
  • danielvitalis
    Tamara!

    Thanks for the message! Excited to meet Madge, and Oliver too!

    The house is magick, and I am so excited to bring love to the land there!

    Where do you live now?

    ~D
  • Great post! I am also a post-veg*an. I recently helped out at a slaughter on a farm and am now doing a hunting course. Much of my diet is still plants, but I now recognize the human econiche as being omnivorous and an important part of balancing prey populations. I also feel much healthier and more vital. There really is something in whole animal foods that they perhaps haven't discovered and turned into a pill for vegans...or perhaps it's synergistic and they never will.

    I hope you will visit NYC and speak here some time!
  • danielvitalis
    Ha! A pill for Vegans! That is funny!

    It is so much more than any isolated nutrient. We always learn more and realize we had only a small piece before! I think it is safe to say that this will go on forever!

    Synergy!

    I totally agree!

    ~D
  • sarah
    Brian Clement said in a recent interview on One Radio Network that Weston Price originally promoted a plant based diet and that the Weston Price foundation is corrupt.
    Do you know if there is any truth to this? I can't find any thing, but I don't see why Brian Clement would lie about something like that.

    much love
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Sarah!

    Ummmm.... I would suggest reading Weston Price's work.

    The same could be said of Hippocortes, and corruption in an organization has little to do with what humans are designed to eat!

    I have tried living on the diet that they recommend. Not very fulfilling! I think that it is wonderful for the purpose that they use it for, namely cancer and other maladies. However it is a completely illogical approach to living.

    Also, does Brian look like he is living on the Hippocrates diet?

    Just some thoughts.

    Proof is in the pudding!

    ~D
  • LittleBird_Young
    As far as I understand, and even the Weston A. Prince Foundation has admitted that yes, Dr. Price had been on the lookout for proof of a healthy plant based society... thing is: he didn't find one. It's not that he didn't find any that "weren't thriving," he didn't find ANY at all - All indigenous or "primitive" cultures included animal products, be they Hindus and the inclusion of raw daily fresh or fermented dairy or the Polynesians and their fish and wild pigs, etc.

    That said: Daniel -- I have been following and admiring your work for years now and cannot even tell you how amazed I felt when the very thing I had been reading and learning and feeling drawn to (reading vegetarian myth, nutriton and phys degen, etc.) was on your lips and in your heart as well. I pulled away from raw veganism slowly and in private...

    thank you for writing this. thank you, thank you.

    Lindsay

  • cavedweller
    First a huge thank you to Daniel for this enlightening writing of his. Sarah, I have come to a point where I have seen so much distortion and dishonesty from vegans to the point where I suspect them to be habitual liars. I know that this is a terrible thing to say and paints a lot of people with the same tar brush, but that is what I am experiencing. There is no lie, distortion or untruth that they will not resort to in order to turn people onto their raw-ligion (i just stole that one, cheers Daniel) or paint the horrors of meat eating. If you cant seem to find anything anywhere about this claim about the WP foundation, could it be that "dr" Brian just pulled it out of his a..hat?. As I believe in naming and shaming there is a guy on youtube that goes by the name of "durianriders" who encompasses everything I have just said. Does being caught in the act deter him from continuing his manipulations? no, it actually seems to have the opposite effect and in this he is not alone. My intention with this was not to offend every vegan out there, I hope this is obvious. But my observations about them as a group stands to reason and scrutiny. Kind regards and the best of wishes.
  • danielvitalis
    Hey CaveDweller!

    Durian Rider needs a hug!

    ~D
  • meg
    You have given me the strength to follow my own intuition and embrace animal products.
    I was brought up a vegan, and animal products were rotting carcasses and fetuses. I ate soy 3 times a day.
    Now when i watch vegan/raw food videos i realize its all about guilt and sacrificing yourself for the animals. The more I research real nutrition, the more i think raw/veganism is a twisted idea from lala land, taking into no account the laws of nature or reality. A lot of these people are aiming for breatharianism which might not even exist. Its wrong on so many levels.
    They seem to have a deluded idea that earth is a garden of eden, and when you go out in nature there is an abundance of fresh tropical fruits year round to eat. Though more and more seem to be experimenting with raw dairy etc.
    I also think that some raw/vegans might have been doing it for so long that they can't turn back as it is part of their ego and also their businesses. But some of them are saying one thing and feeding their children another ( like raw dairy).


    I think its very unfortunate how many kids are being brought up raw/vegan,willy nilly. Its very difficult for me to see , they don't look well.

    By the way, if you are reading this, what do you think of raw liver?
    The first animal product I had was beef liver, as I understand its one of the best parts of the animal to eat. I also have fermented cod liver oil. It was pretty mind blowing to learn about the nutrition in liver, reading vegan books I got the idea that meat only has protein and iron and we can't even digest it anyway.
    I have beef liver cocktails daily, my body cant seem to get enough, it blows any other superfoods I was having out of the water. And its so cheap.




    I can't thank you enough, finding your work has turned my health around. I hope that as many people as possible hear your message.

    I think its great that we now see no need for gurus , we can just follow our intuition and not shy away from reality.

    You can live off animal products exclusively and thrive, but living off vegetables alone is a recipe for extinction.


  • Guest
    I'd like to get into hunting at some point. So far the closest I get is going outside and eating a few caterpillars.
  • danielvitalis
    Meg, I love Raw Liver... well, the effects... the taste I am still getting used to!

    ~D
  • Erik H
    I can definitely relate. I started on the natural path about 15 years ago, then raw about 10 years ago. After awhile I just felt comfortable enough with my own health to eat foods that I really wanted to eat once in awhile, even if they weren't raw, or vegan, or even vegetarian. I also saw alot of guilt, and unnecessary struggle in an aquaitance who was trying to keep it raw (but never could). Along with the guilt I felt at times (for "deviating"), I just realized that life is too short, and felt that as long as I was comfortable with my diet, then who cares what anyone else thought. I also saw a sort of status/identity aspect with some that didn't feel right to me.

    On the other hand I also benefitted, and can't deny that, nor would I. In actuality I still feel best eating predominantly raw. I think the bottom line is that the "raw" diet is still evolving with the help of people like you. What's strange though is that it all seems to be returning back to basic principles that people have known about, taught, and practised for hundreds/thousands of years (back to the future:).

    Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that it's important for me personally to be honest about what I'm really trying to achieve with my health, and just focus on that. Right now, fresh water, herbs, & smoothies/elixirs of all sorts is what's working generally, as well as eating light, and trying to focus on chewing thoroughly (which is actually a tough one for me). Other than that I'm just trying to keep things in perspective, and stay open to new ideas (even if they're actually not that new)...
  • danielvitalis
    Totally agree!

    I think this is an evolution.... bit like you mention, we are evolving back to what we once were or did... but we bring with us the wisdom we gleaned in the process!

    Bless!
  • Daniel, my brother from another mother!
    I loved this post so much and I read it out loud to my husband so he can understand where I am coming from.
    Three years ago I was told I have Chronic Leukemia and was told I had no more than ten years to live.. let me tell you that raw vegan made my blood tests improve and kept me stable.. but adding in raw milk kefir, raw cheeses, raw butter and eggs has made me feel twenty years younger than my fifty years.
    I love where you are and your open hands to all of us who are willing to learn and grow.
    Keep telling the tale, we all need to hear it!
    love
    deb
  • danielvitalis
    Yay! '

    Thanks Debbie!

    So.... if not raw vegans.... what are we? An all inclusive non-dogmatic movement is in demand!

    Thanks for being here.... You are SO appreciated!

    ~D
  • meg
    Have you seen this video called the daniel vitalis deception?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCOqaJgcqOw
    (He has videos on the matt monarch "scam" )
    Pretty entertaining if you ask me!
  • danielvitalis
    Meg!

    I love that video! I think its hilarious!

    ~D
  • madhuriflynn
    Is that guy for real?? Love his machine that shows the energy of the water, so funny
    ;-)
  • danielvitalis
    I love his helmet!
  • Daniel- I love this! Going to re-post on my blog... www.happyhealthybalance.blogspot.com. Appreciate your honesty and I can relate on many levels. Had me chuckling a little. :) Thank you for sharing!
  • danielvitalis
    Awesome Blog!

    Thanks for that!

    I love globes too by the way! Alot! The largest rotating globe in the world is here in Maine! http://www.delorme.com/about/eartha.aspx
    Much gratitude!

    ~D
  • Thanks Daniel! Another reason to visit maine. Thanks for sharing- I had no idea. :) Cheers!
  • danielvitalis
    Your so welcome!
  • technoshaman
    Yeah...I wish more people would tune into the Weston Price foundation literature.
    About 3 years ago...I got all of my mercury amalgams removed from my mouth at a holistic dentist. I have been plagued by cavities my whole life from eating the SAD diet.
    At the offices of this dentist there are many publications by the Weston Price Foundation.
    Id say these books plus the info that DR. Norman Walker put out are what I base my Diet on...although i still fall of the health path once in a while. Thanks Dan for these revelations about your personal life. I do get a bit tired of the preachy Raw Food Mantra
    that seems to be prevelant with certain people.
  • Slveg
    I was wondering what the research shows about cooked meat. Does cooked meat produce heterocyclic amines which is a carcinogen..??? I read several articles (not from a vegetarian source by the way) that have discussed this issue. I have enjoyed reading the posts..very interesting. I must say that I am a vegetarian who wears leather (cant give up my cute shoes!!!), eat raw honey. I eat a plant based diet..... say foods without labels!! I eat this way because I like it, it makes me feel good, it takes only 20 mins or so to throw together a healthy meal from 'scratch'!!! I say to people that the most important thing about food is it should be real!! Just eat real whole, food ( hopefully free of pesticides, herbicides and other nasties!!! and enjoy it!!! Eat slow and savor the flavor!!
  • danielvitalis
    Technoshaman!

    Great name! No preachy Mantra from me!

    ~D
  • I really appreciate all your insights Daniel! It is at once humbling and inspiring! I intend to keep my mind open as I walk down the path of regeneration of my body, mind and soul! Thank you for planting some seeds in my mind, after all like you said "it's only food."
    Thanks for keeping us on our toes....

    Peace,

    Dan
  • danielvitalis
    Thanks Dan!
  • mathewmilligan
    How are you going to prepare the meat? Cook, smoke, dry? I built a smoke hut from earth (cobb) a few years back for my brother which is holding up well. He can fit two whole deer carcasses if need be. What are you going to do with all of that sinew and bone? This is really exciting to me that someone such associated in the raw food community is doing this.
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Mathew!

    I love raw meat when the quality is right! I am not afraid to cook it too. Smoking sounds amazing, but I have never tried it.

    Bone I will use as broth... (and for some tools), and sinew for cordage and for hafting a primitive Obsidian knife I am making!

    My friends at www.primitiveskills,com are showing me how to use everything!

    I bet your smoke house is outstanding!

    ~D
  • mathewmilligan
    Aw yeah, I love it raw too. You might want to look into nice venison and buffalo landjaegar in natural casing and finished off in the smoker (not getting hotter than 75°-80° F). The spice and seasoning recipes for landjaegar are insanely satisfying. Morel season has started here in Illinois! YES!

    Please, please post pictures of your obsidian knife whenever you finish, and thank you for sharing your life with us!
  • Carol Gay
    Hey Daniel,
    I love your story. It is very similar to mine. I was influenced by two older sisters. They are aprox 15 years older than I. We ate a well rounded diet growing up. My step dad hunted, fished, we had a big garden and compost, but we did eat store food staples and processed food. I knew something was up when my sister would bring my nephews food over to eat while at Grandma's house. I was eight when my nephew was born. My sister was into the Vegetarian Diet then. So when I was very young I became a Vegetarian for like five years but it was more like 'Religious Bondage'. It was 'my ' journey and coming out of that was part of it. The word 'Religion' comes from the the Latin word Ligand meaning, 'That which binds', the same root from which 'ligand' comes from. ( Molecules of Emotions, Candace B. Perth, Ph.D.) Ligand is the term used for any natural or manmade substance that binds selectively to its own specific receptor on the surface of a cell. Funny but it is true we often bind ourselves into a 'way of thinking' that stunts our growth or progression into Truth, and well, we know that Truth sets us free. I'm proud of you for doing that Hunting Course. That is something that is so on my heart right now to do. I have a bow but have not strung it yet. So much to do and seems so little time, anyways, I'm so glad I have you as a leader and example in the way to freedom. Thanks Again ! I hope to see you someday, before you have to take that group up into the wild. Peace & Happy Hunting !
    CarolGay
  • danielvitalis
    Let me know when you get that bow strung! It is a worthy pursuit, hunting or not!

    Thanks for writing, and thanks for having a mind that is open to anything that resonates as truth!

    Many many blessings!

    ~D
  • Last thought: speaking of your t-shirt Daniel, I once saw a t-shirt 'Meat is a euphamism for Murder'...I do struggle with this and would love to hear your thoughts xo
  • danielvitalis
    Hahaha! Thanks for asking!

    How about "Living is Murder"! or "Eating Vegetables is Murder"...

    It is a gross simplification that could only really make sense to people living in cities, outside of the life cycle!

    Life feeds on life, and this is beautiful.... People are acting out the first chapter of the the Buddha's life.. the part before he knew that suffering existed. It is funny, because this part of his story is about living a lie or illusion.

    I think that Vegan philosophy has great intention... it just isn't based in reality.

    But then again... what is? Hehehehhehehe

    ~D
  • "All the while I still lived amongst and traveled within the Raw Food community… I was not alone, as many others were doing this as well." - VERY true statement. :-)

    There are no experts, no truths and no dogma. Only experiences exist, and those who learn from them are comfortable in their skin.

    Kev
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Kevin!

    Thanks for being here! I appreciate the "out of the box" vids you have been making lately! Great work!

    Many blessings to you and Annmarie!
  • Hi Sweetie, we talked a bit about all this when I interviewed you for my Raw Mom Summit...I knew I was taking a bit of a risk interviewing you anyway because you weren't a mom! lol but when you talked about ostrich eggs and deer antler etc I had to wonder what my raw moms were going to make of it...but I really felt it was important to open the converstation up, especially when it comes to nourishing our children properly. Like you said, it isn't a religion. I shared with you that one of my children needed raw dairy to be healthy and since then we have added raw eggs and cooked wild fish (I eat sashimi). My husband Luke's grandfather used to take him hunting and he has always said when we have our own piece of land he would get his lisence...I have hoped not, but he says its in his blood and is determined to eat local and live sustainably off the grid. After 8 years on the raw diet, I have experienced healing and vitality and it has been such a profound blessing. I would love to stay vegan or vegetarian, but eating exotic and expensive superfoods doesn't fit with leaving a lighter footprint...There's still alot to weigh and balance, and I allow myself and encourage others to explore and find their flow which may change at differnet stages of their life and I have written about this on the rawmom blog for others who need support. I have recently interviewed Ramiel Nagel who wrote CURE DENTAL DECAY and he studied Dr Price's work extensively and says high vitamin butter, fermented cod liver oil and grass fed beef or bison liver or bone broths are very necessary- any thoughts on these foods? Thank you Daniel for finding your voice and the courage to be being authentic. I think this is a big part of true health...Blissings
    ps Elixir Craft rawks! Love your Dvd too. xoShakaya Breeze
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Shakaya!!!

    Honored to have you present here on my blog!

    I had a great time doing the summit with you, and am looking forward to working together again!

    I agree about those foods by the way. Necessary might be a stretch, as they can be replaced by other foods. In general though I think they are *Critical* !!! I use butter, codliver, bison liver, and bone broth often! Ok, actually, I am still developing a taste for liver... slowly!

    Thanks for all the work you are doing for woman everywhere!

    Bib Blessings!
  • This was an awesome article. I too have struggled with ethics vs. health and have just come across Weston Price's work. Thank you so much for sharing, and I agree you should write a book.
  • danielvitalis
    Tania,

    A book it is.... Thanks for your support!

    ~D
  • robtew
    Amen brother! Thanks for sharing that. I dove into vegetarianism in High School as well, than transition to veganism, than to raw foods and than superfoods. It was tough maintaining the same group of friends growing up or even making new ones in college because of my hardcore eating habits. I made the switch a couple of years back when I fell rock climbing (don't rock climb when you've had too many poppy seeds if you get my drift?) and splintered a bone. For what seemed like a century, the bone took forever to heal. Please note, that I'm against the use of drugs or pain killers because than you're suppressing the very mechanism (pain) that tells you when you've fully healed. Anyhow, I pondered this for weeks because I thought eating superfoods would give me superhuman powers to heal myself quickly (if not overnight), plus I was an athlete in Highschool (Cross Country, Track and Basketball) and can remember the resilience of my own body. It was as if God had prepped me for what was about to happen next... My dad (from Harrisburg, PA), a hunter (which I disowned after becoming a full-time vegan), asked me to come by for dinner. I get to the house and there's a big bowl of salad ready for me; everyone else was having elk. My dad offers me a beer, I decline immediately, than he keeps insisting and I finally give in. I'm wasted after my second beer (bonafied lightweight). He tries to get me to try the elk because he hunted it himself. He goes into the whole story about how he stalked it and described the adrenaline rush right before he pulled the trigger. His cool story, the atmosphere, confluence of love and aroma of grilled elk finally KO'd me -- I gave in (first time I had meat in over 7 years) and boy did I eat. It was like a drug. I probably ate about 2 pounds of elk. I crashed right after but the next day I woke up, I had the hardest and I mean the hardest woody ever. I felt this vitality, this vigor that I hadn't felt since High School. For the first time in along time - I felt like a real man (my testosterone was through the roof, shattered the glass ceiling) - like I could go jump kick Kareem Abdul Jabaar! I've stuck with eating clean meat ever since and have slowly started incorporating raw butter and raw colostrum (fermented) and I feel amazing! You mentioned teeth sensitivity, I had the same problem and now it's gone. Also, one thing I'd like to mention is that I've gained about 12-13 pounds of solid muscle and when I run 7-10 miles, my shins feel solid, like two pillars holding me up. Anyhow, I just wanted to thank you for all the work that you've done. I commend you for opening up about your journey because I went through the same thing and couldn't muster the courage to tell anyone. Hopefully this will get folks to come out of the woodwork and accept themselves for who they truly are. It'll give them the courage to burn the blueprint others created for them and create their own in order to be an original. I wish you great things and keep shining, keep inspiring and keep being you. Cheers! Brotha --Robert
  • danielvitalis
    Rob! That is an awesome story! HA!

    Your dad had the master plan! Colostrum is where its at, right?!!!

    Thanks for sharing your story!

    ~D

  • Carol Gay
    Robert !
    I love your story. .so cool. .'CLASSIC' story. .well not really 'classic' but in all reality your reality was so REAL. . I too am thankful for Daniel and his honest humility about his journey. .yours is pretty incredible. . what type of Colostrum do you take. . been wanting to get some. . and try it. Wow ! so cool ! thanks ! Keep it REAL !
    Go Woody !
    carolgay
  • kay
    i have gone through almost exactly the same progression of diets, ethics and world views as you have and it is so refreshing to know that many of us have come to the same conclusion and are truly reconnecting to our roots. wild food and real spring water, that's all we need :)

    this is a joyousand beautiful thing and we need to share this with the world. i think you really hit the nail on the head when you spoke of the maturity that comes from realizing that no matter who you are, what you eat, something needs to die in order for your to live, and that this cycle is something to embrace, not shy away from and ignore.

    thank you for being a voice for all of us! many, many blessings to you daniel, and i hope to meet you someday!
  • danielvitalis
    Kay,

    Your words are such a wonderful support! Thank You!

    Many blessings to you too! COme to Eden Hot Springs at the end of this month!

    ~D
  • benxvx
    hello daniel a few months ago i discovered your find a spring website. since then ive been reading thru alot of the stuff on your blog it all interests me very much. i am vegan.. for the longest time ive thought about hunting and fishing. my feeling being it would be significantly more healthy for me than eating all this wheat corn soy facotry food people eat thinking its "a better choice".. do you use primitive hunting and fishing methods? or do you use fishing rods and guns and/or bow and arrow to hunt?
  • danielvitalis
    Great question!

    I am using a bow, but a modern one... I have friends that build and hunt with primitive bows, but I am not there yet.... I would like to go to this level though! Right now I am interested in learning to hunt!

    ~D
  • Orchid
    Hi! Great post. I think it is wonderful that you are committed to following your path no matter what people say. I have heard some negative commentary that you do not always verify your sources and offer misinformation or half information at times. We are all human and are subject to mistakes, myself included (sometimes the leader of the pack! lol) Hopefully you take that crticism in the tone it was meant, it would be sad for people to discount you based on some off or incomplete details. *hug* Just wanted to give a quick fyi, Canola is 'rapeseed' not 'grape seed', those are two different beasts. I have seem them used interchangeably at times, but that is not accurate. Keep up the great work and keep speaking your truth - you are being heard :)
  • danielvitalis
    Orchid,

    Ha! Thanks for the heads up! My editors actually changed that from rape to grape because they thought it was a hideous typo! HAhahahaa... Actually, its just the hideous truth!

    ~D
  • xavierwny
    there is deep psychology involved in what we crave to eat. Like you, i desire to feel physically strong most of the time so i eat animal products (mostly raw, grassfed). Others want to chase the high of eating high biophotonic value foods only.
    http://www.transpersonal.de/mbischof/englisch/webbookeng.htm

    i know many vegans who don't experience the negative symptoms you described on a vegan diet. It's not because the diet is flawed, they just have a different disposition that allows them to be physically weaker without feeling mentally\emotionally weak.
  • danielvitalis
    Xavier....

    That is true... and funny also!

  • Wes Hays
    Ya Brotha, amazing how many people follow your words, for they are truth, and seekers shall find.. Thank you. Keep following that divine guiding light!
    Ive been following you all winter, trekking through the snows of Montana to find chaga, making elixirs and mylks out of milk thistle seeds and wild herbs and roots.. nevercould get enough! then started getting super into RAw water! was trekking 3 times a week through the snow to get spring water from the land! now im in CAli still following your progression , eating tons of wild foods, used findaspring to locate a local spring!! and am really impressed to hear what you have said.. It could be time to come down. i will follow this inner guidance as well, its great to find this today and at this very moment because i feel my body talking to me and asking for something more. definately for less sugar, less fruit sugar and dried fruit sugars.. More wild greens, its spring !!
    endless love brother, hope to meet you someday, warriors are rising!
    Wes
  • danielvitalis
    Wes,

    Your support is what makes this work possible! Thank you for this!

    Hope to meet you too!

    We are crafting a new culture.... together!

  • Brandymjw
    Wow. I really connected with a lot of what you said. For years I battled with the many variations of what is considered ethical and natural. It can be mind boggling to try to sort through all of the information.

    I hope you have a wonderful experience with hunting. I live in the south where almost everyone I know deer hunts. While I'd much rather someone hunt and kill for their meat, I don't think a lot of people around here appreciate it as much as they should. They proudly display bumper stickers that say "If it's brown it's down." It's all a sport. Thanks for not being like that.
  • danielvitalis
    Ha! Yes, I will be there with a reverent spirit!

    Thanks for being present and for writing Brandy!
  • Kristie
    Thank you for being *YOU*!..a blissfull journey awaits at Eden...I'm stoked to be going! It's amazing to have heard you on the Raw Mom Summit interview and definitely *needed* to hear your words as I became a Raw Vegan 6 months ago, deciding to commit for one year to heal my skin. I *knew* ( despite) what I had read, that a 100% Raw VEGAN diet was not a sustainable one...enjoying completely my just ended Juice Feast...looking Brightly to my Eden adventure and my soon -to-be-eaten *happy* meat and raw dairy eating...all in due time:)
    ~Blessings~
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Kristie!

    See you in the desert!

    I am packing already!

  • dennyperrin
    Daniel,
    Beautifully written and heartfelt. Aimee and I are grateful that you led us in this direction. Now we, too, know the connection with animals and nature that is possible by embracing the circle of life. We're very much looking forward to your visit this month and to creating a new community based on this connection to all of life. Thank you and we'll see you in a few weeks.
    Much love,
    Denny Perrin
  • danielvitalis
    Denny!

    Thanks Brother! I am honored and excited to be speaking at the potluck this month!

    See you so soon!

  • Casper
    Daniel. Please please read the book The 24-hour Diet by Brian Peskin. It will explain EVERYTHING and ties together with hard science what Weston Price and others have found. It's an amazing eye-opener that every raw-fooder should read.

    He explains the whole why-we-need-meat-and-fat thing very clearly.

    If you read it, you can spread the word. The 100% vegan diet is really probably lke you say - a cleansing diet.

    The book will also put on the lightbulb why Aajonous Vonderplaniz's "weird" Primal Diet works so well for him. He's actually doing the 24-hour diet, without knowing it. He just knows it works - Peskin explains why.

    Like you I never really understood what was holding me back with my raw-vegan diet. Now I know. I just finished the book today, and my head is spinning. Very very cool stuff.
  • crystal dawn
    Brian Peskin also wrote a good book on cancer: The Hidden Story of Cancer. We have it at the health food store where I work and we reference it quite frequently.
  • danielvitalis
    Thanks Casper!

    Looking forward to this book!

  • Alexis
    Wow everybody needs read this article! You are so articulate and your words carry much power. I'm already looking forward to your book! I know it's going to be epic ;) It seems like this pattern is spreading among many other vegans as well... I'm no longer a vegan either, which I'm happy about. So grateful for the knowledge and wisdom you share!
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Alexis! Great to see you here! Thanks for taking the time!

    What are we gonna call this new emerging way of life we are creating?

    ~D
  • Alexis
    Becoming real humans...? haha! I'm no wordsmith like you so can't think of something clever.

    I was thinking about hunting the other day and I have to admit I'm not completely ready to do that yet lol. It's hard to even imagine where to start from! Then I realize how domesticated I've become... then again, I don't think I was ever taught in my life to be truly wild and thrive in my nature. I think I should start by re-introducing meat back into my diet but haven't been successful at finding the right source. Any good recommendations? Just doing some fish at the moment... Seeing what you're doing and who you've become is truly inspiring. It always motivates me to take a step further ;)))
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Alexis! Lets hunt in Peru!

    Try www.eatwild.com

    It is a site for grass fed animal farms in your area! Red meat is life altering!

    Go for it!

    ~D
  • heather_sea
    Hey Daniel,

    I luv this post, can't wait for the next one. I totally agree with the above comment by Miro, "you are up ahead clearing the path so that those behind you can discover what you are seeing on their own." Couldn't have said it better myself! It's unfortunate that people like yourself, putting yourself out there for the world to see have to take all the 'flack' from people who think they know everything about nutrition and health. It does feel like all the different types of raw foodism are like different sects of a religion and everyone wants you to join up with theirs. What some people don't realize is that one person's truth is not necessarily another person's. We are all different and that's what makes us beautiful. I strongly believe in intuitive eating, being in touch with our own bodies... not eating what someone else tells us is 'good' or 'right'. I also think local food is super important for a number of reasons I won't get into right now, lol. So, thank you for forging the way ahead and allowing people to make their own decisions about what is right for them.

    Heather :)
  • danielvitalis
    Thank you Heather... Sincerely!

    Glad to be op there clearing a path... its exciting!

    ~D
  • helaine17
    Hi Daniel
    Beautiful post. Jonathan and I have also gone to extremes in diet in our 20 year history. Starting out with a macrocbiotic diet and getting even more narrow over time. Feeling great at first and then not so good. What I have learned is to have a mind open to everything and attatched to nothing because the only thing constant in this universe is change. I think your post reflects that - you have embraced many new ideas have gone thru many changes and are learning alot along the way. I think this kind of open mind and pursuit of knowledge shoud be greatly respected. I think we should all greatly appreciate anyone on the path searching for higher knowledge or trying to connect back to nature - we should not judge them because they ate something we disagree with or their philosophy is not the same. Anyway I think you share a lot of great information and I love your "out of the box" way of thinking.
  • danielvitalis
    Helaine!

    Thanks for taking the time to read this and to write!

    I agree! An open mind and a movement towards what is most "natural"... now.. if we can just figure out what is natural!

    Say hi to Jonathan for me!

    ~D

  • http://www.starroot.com/cgi/daycalc.pl

    inquiring minds would like to know your complete mayan sign (tribe, tone, guide)

    (it's a little something primitive that eye putz with: the mayan calendar)

    <3




  • danielvitalis
    Fun.... Yellow Rhythmic Star...

    Book will happen.... still organizing it.... I want it to last a thousand years!

    Thanks for your enthusiasm... its contagious!

    ~D
  • Carol Gay
    Daniel,
    Wow ! A thousand years huh? So we'll take it into the Millennial Reign huh? I too want to write a book, but I am overwhelmed with the info I want to put into it. Peace
    CarolGay
  • holy wild wellness batman!

    WRITE A BOOK, MAKE A DOCUMENTARY, DON'T EVER STOP!

    you are obviously gifted and an HEB (highly evolved being)(see CWG by Walsch)

    you are loved, you are the lover, you are LOVE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnYexzKu69A


    <3
  • Katja
    Hi Daniel. Thanks for sharing this. I think i might be the only actual vegan in this comment list, or at least the only vegan appreciating your post (though i might be wrong). I´ve been an ethical "vegan" (quote-unquote because there is no such thing as 100% veganism) for the better part of the last 16 years (raw on and off) and I don´t think I´ll stop anytime soon. But all the things you wrote down make so much sense. Especially the parts about from where most (raw) vegan stables come from (far away mostly) and the ecological/etc consequences of that. Even though I´m sure that for some humans it´s easier to adapt to an herbivore diet - and for others it´s just plain harmful - I think that veganism is a purely moral/ethical food choice, and nothing that´s especially beneficial for your health. And well, the "morality" of it is debateable as well (and i´ve been debating it internally for many years already). I do question the fact that eating meat might "mark the end of" one´s "youth" and leads one to assume "the responsibilties of adulthood" (as Lierre Keith narrates here experience in the introduction of her book - page5- ). But I DO believe, that everyone should take into account that whatever diet you choose to live on, other livings beings are being killed for you. So I´m happy to hear/read your story, because it rings so true. And appreciate your sincerety and honesty. Best wishes, Katja
  • danielvitalis
    Thank You. I wish that more Vegans could show this compassion. Especially since I am writing as someone who was one for many many years.
    It is nice to have you comment here. Please come again!

    ~D
  • If they ever make a martyr out of you, I can hear the final scream roaring out,

    "FRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM!!!"
  • Carol Gay
    Amen ! That is my FAV movie. .and Daniel fits the Bill to the T !
    carolgay
  • danielvitalis
    AHhahahahahaaa! You may take our lives.... but you'll never take our...............
  • Beautifully written! Thank you so much for sharing. :)
    My past is similar - raw veganism euphoria followed by (fruit) sugar bingeing and fasting cycles. It was really rough on my body and metabolism.

    But this past year, I started eating animal products and feel so much more stable and healed teeth and acne problems. Here's a bit of my story: http://thelabrawtory.com/2010/03/09/i-am-no-longer-raw-vegan/
  • danielvitalis
    Your story is awesome! I love the before and after pics! How was the reaction form the people you know from the Tree?
  • The tree people have been great! Honestly though, many that I knew from there are no longer 100% raw or vegan (not surprisingly) and many weren't even while I was there!

    I did get one comment on Facebook in which someone asked me if there was ANY thing fresh in my elixir (pau d'arco almond milk base with ho sho wu, carob, lucuma, etc.) When I said no, she said she'll stick to her pineapple. LOL. But to me, that kind of judgmental comment is really a reflection of her questioning her own diet and needing to reassure herself (prob because It's starting not to work.)

    There's a def pattern to the raw diet. At first you feel great because it is very healing after a SAD diet. Then you reach equilibrium and an optimal state of health. But if you continue with 100% raw vegan and cyclical cleansing and fasting, the pendulum swings the other way. Sattva, rajas and tamas - all life is about balance. :)

    Thanks for the wonderful info and content you provide! Your integrity and honesty is unsurpassed and very much appreciated. I want to be you when I grow up! ;)


  • danielvitalis
    Hahahaha! Thanks Sister!

    See you out there somewhere soon!

    ~D
  • so true Kali! I urge most folks to cleanse with raw vegan diets, lots of greens and juicing, then move on to rebuilding the body, non vegan style.
    love deb
  • Miro
    Thank you for being on the quest you are on and allowing so many of us to see you walk it. It is like you are up ahead clearing the path so that those behind you can discover what you are seeing on their own. I am grateful to have somebody with such a beautiful vision to follow and empower me. Look forward to finally meeting you at Epic Eden. I'll be coming out there on my own from Vancouver. I'm 21 and I've been on the computer daily since I was 12. Time to meet the elements? =)
  • danielvitalis
    Really? Wow! So honored to help facilitate that! You are going to have the time of your life... seriously! Get ready for big big big big breakthrough!

    This is awesome news!

    ~D
  • peter
    Daniel,

    thanks for doing what you do. Your sincere path of inquiry is very, very admirable.
    trivial?...perhaps. but with a word like Sovereignty, you've got to spell it that way.

    in all goodness,
  • danielvitalis
    Sovereign food procurement! Without that its just a word!
  • Jakob
    Thanks for posting how you got here daniel! I look foward to hunting this year. I have been apprenticed by a local where i live that has done traditional bow hunting for many years. You should check out traditional bowhunting! =]

    many regards,
    Jakob roze
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Jakob! I have alot of friends here who are traditional bow hunters.. they make their own primitive bows too! I love it and will learn for sure! I also have a hunting blowgun! Fun
  • (guest)
    Very interesting article, that mirrors mine and others' journeys with food. A thought that I just had. Maybe food should be chosen depending on goals and intentions at the different stages of life. We all want peace, health and connection, but in different ways at different times. In the growth and childbearing years, a strong wise body is top priority, and a pure, clean hunter diet seems to provide that. Now that I think about it, I did choose a strong meat-eating male as the father of my children, and I even gave in to my meat cravings during my pregnancies. Now, those years long gone, I am more interested in a wise heart and a meditative mind capable of transcending all this duality (including meat vs veggies controversy). And a primarily vegetarian diet seems more appropriate, or so say the self-realized yogis. I do have enough dealing with my stressed mind, to add to that the stress of a just-killed animal. I am not being a smart-a$$ here, I am sharing my thoughts at the moment (like in a diary).

    I was wondering if you meditate. And how have the different diets affected your meditations.

    I love your ideas on water. And can't wait to have SSRW at the local WF.

    You are a natural teacher, that conveys his message with clarity and passion. Thanks for a great article. :)



  • artistruth
    thanks for putting your story out into the web stories...
    really well written and totally honest and RAW! love it!

    but yeah, i was wondering that too... how's meditating on a wild diet that includes flesh foods? as a yogini and 'reformed' vegan I've totally embraced raw dairy and the grounding effect it has had on me and my family... but i still have a few things not quite optimal within my body (i'm also pretty much exclusively breastfeeding an 8 month old, and i have a 3 year old as well) and my acupuncturist husband is trying to convince me that i need some flesh in my diet, maybe not forever, but at least until i heal... and that my yoga practise will only improve with the dietary additions... but still, can't get over that guilt thing and make up all kinds of stories about how i can't be a true yogini and consume flesh...
    what do you think? and did weston price find any thriving vegetarian communities in India?
    i'm digging the book 'full moon feast' right now too... she has some beautiful writing on the eating of ethic animal products.
  • danielvitalis
    Great question...

    Weston Price didn't appear to study the Hindu people.

    I have never heard of what I would call a "thriving" vegetarian community outside of the Hindu religion. Perhaps the Seventh Day Adventists? I will let you decide if either are thriving.

    The interesting point is that vegetarianism is always a ascetic practice, and never chosen for health in traditional societies. Worth noting! :)

    I think dairy can work to complete a diet if it is grass fed. It is funny though, as it is far less "natural" of a food than flesh and requires domestication and agriculture which is far more destructive than hunting...

    Catch 22!

    I will write about this soon!

    Thanks so much for being here and commenting!

    ~D

  • Lindsay
    Right on! thank you, Daniel! your clear understanding of truth as is your story was a blessed share. looking forward to your thoughts on dairy and its required captivation, domestication, sterilization.. moral reasons lead me far from taking mothers' milk or "taking" anything. if a cow sincerely and willfully gifted her precious fluids which she created for the love of her child, then i would drink it. but penning a mama and lying to her (and ourselves) is exploitation and this does not ring true, to me. however, our nurture deprived culture leaves many beings (never having been breastfed themselves) thirsty for the fulfillment that can only come from the intentions of life creating life.. as is core to many an imbalance. life is indeed a gift and in a healthy, natural state of being, i believe we know when we are about to transition (die) be it in the pursuit or exhaustion and surrender. death and life are intimately connected, neither is one sided, an animal chooses to gift their body and soul to your spirit as much as you decide upon a meal. there is an energetic agreement that occurs, a resonance between the eater and the eaten.. if we are not the intended spirit, we ingest the karma and move further from the source.
  • danielvitalis
    Lindsay,

    I will be writing on Dairy soon! Stay tuned!

    ~D
  • Hayden
    how do you Danial expect 7 billion people to resort back to a native wild diet, there would be no wild species left because it is no way the earth can sustain 7 billion humans hunting and picking all the wild plants and animals it would cause extinction.

    So how are you going to get everyone back on this wild diet when there 7 billion humans?
  • danielvitalis
    Hayden,

    I think you have taken my post out of context. I don't expect 7 Billion people to do anything. I am not campaigning for this, just doing what I love, and showing others how they can too.

    However, 7 Billion people practicing agriculture is also destroying the ecosphere, and arguably just as fast. Actually, agriculture is the reason there is 7 Billion people, as each and every one of them is made of food. Wild harvesting food is what keeps a population in check naturally.

    Regardless though, I am just pursuing my passion. I am certainly not attempting to tell you what to eat.

    Thanks for writing!

    ~Daniel
  • Hayden
    Then You still haven't solved the problem of how you want 7 billion people to eat a wild diet, human population was increasing back then properly because the ice age had ended and things started to warm, so there was plenty of game to be caught thus raising the human population way back thus someone may of realized there has to be a better way of feeding the rising mass thus agriculture and organized religions became established and started. You just never know maybe agriculture has saved alot of species from extinction during past 10.000 years because humans were starting to over hunt animals way back then. Adapt or die is another way of looking at it.
    But you must also realize i have nothing against what your saying.

    Peace.
  • I suggest reading more about the demographic transition in economics. Populations grow when countries first modernize and then fall when women acquire rights and education (among other things). This has already occurred in Europe, where pop growth is negative, and is happening in most of SE Asia...economists predict it will happen in most places.
  • Hayden
    I will use an example for oil, if we never discovered oil we most properly would of coursed a lot of whales to go extinct, this can be applied to the discovery of agriculture which in turn helped save some species from certain extinction from over hunting by humans.
  • samlemay
    Daniel, yeah the hunting is good in Fiji, when I was there last year we had wild boar, and there are alot of other nice things to hunt like prawns, fruit bats and the fruits themselves... I'll check out the Lierre book for sure. I read about Fiji in the Price book, talk about synchronicity! As far as dairy, my friends in Maine have Nigerian Dwarf goats that are raised in Rehoboth MA, the raw milk tastes just like whole cows milk. Amazing stuff...
  • dawngaynor
    Thank you so much for sharing your story, Daniel. A wise man (you!) once told me to "make peace with food" and "get grounded". You also explained (for example) how the deer hunter knows, loves and reveres deer. In one day, my life was changed and I've been so open to Food choices. So much love and gratitude, Daniel!
  • danielvitalis
    Great to hear from you Dawn!

    It is so uplifting to hear that feedback! Thanks so much!

    Shine on Sister!

    ~D
  • Chantel
    Thanks daniel
    From the time we met i had a problem with totally raw plant based die -it...i have always thought of rawfood as cleansing and should be at least 50% of your live-it...fresh fish, roe and goat's milk are apart of my life...i feel i need it...introducing more wild food is amazing but i only started that last year...thanks for opening up
    Love Yah
    Chantel
  • danielvitalis
    Thanks for being here Chantel!

    I hope to try the island food with you sometime soon!

    I love roe, and I bet you get some of the best there!

    Thanks for being here!

    ~Daniel
  • dinner time
    SO good! Local Hunting trips will be the new raw vegan retreat : )
    Instead of listening to Wolfe yapp for 6 hours about some tropical estrogenic herbs. :)
  • danielvitalis
    Ha! " Local Hunting trips will be the new raw vegan retreat" that is hilarious! I would love to do that... I need some practice first!

    ~D
  • Moose
    Big heart as usual DV. I remember talking about eating wild grasshoppers and you asking me about eating raw meat/suet a few years ago. In the "hush hush" of the raw food world. haa. It's great to see what you have put out for people. And the shift going on. I love the north! :) Living in Michigan and learning my landscape so vital. I'm happy each year to be living more and more local and getting hunters license next year as well! bang bang. Your works will be like the (My Bloody Valentine) of the health movement :) legit for decades to come and always sound relevant.
  • danielvitalis
    Moose!

    Suet is awesome! Thanks for your words... not sure I get the MBV reference though? Sounds good!

    The "shift" going on is amazing and I am so excited to see where it goes!

    ~D
  • lorra
    Very interesting post - I agree with what you say. I could never hunt animals (well, maybe if I was desperate and starving - I suppose I could do anything then) - I feel too connected to them, as friends. I love animals fiercely. That being said, I feel that if you want to eat animals, the only way it is proper is to hunt them yourself. That way they have had a full natural life, and they have a fighting chance of getting away, too.
    I am a raw vegan but I am not full of dogma. There are so many ways people go about doing it, and I cannot stand militant types of anything. If I had an easily accessible source of raw dairy, I would go for it. For now I am vegan, purely for ethical reasons. I don't think humans are fully vegan - no creature is. Even herbivores and frugivores ingest insects.
    I really respect what you do. PLEASE write a book. PLEASE!
    Hope to see you in Vancouver again! Last time was really awesome!
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Lorra! Thanks for your support!

    Have you checked out www.realmilk.com? It is a great way to find local dairies around you.

    I will be in Vancouver in May! Check out my events page for the details!

    ~D
  • Kyle_89
    Raw milk is illegal to sell in new jersey ahhhhhh!! I guess i need to move....
  • danielvitalis
    Illegal almost everywhere! Try wwwrealmilk.com. You might be able to buy a share in a dairy cow... this allows you to bypass the laws since the cow is "yours"!

  • Daniel, I wonder if you have investigated macrobiotic way of eating? If not, I strongly recommend to take this eating style seriously for a while and try it (experience it) on yourself - as the part of your never ending research.
    In the whole article, you haven't mentioned about trying to eat straight cooked grains as the staple part of your diet. You switched to meat, as the source of fat and protein, but you skipped the grains unfortunately.
    Grains, legumes, vegetables can make you perfectly satisfied not only from the nutritional point of view, but also from the spiritual.
    I really do highly recommend giving macrobiotic teachings a try - macrobiotic is not about the food at all only. In the broad sense, you can call macrobiotic as taoism, if you know this theory better.
    Macrobiotic literature is full of profound theories about food and spirituality connections.

    I do also recommend lectures of the Hopi healer Roy Littlesun - few videos are on the net - he gives perfect view over the connection of the whole Cosmos to our daily food - his view is in perfect synchronicity with the macrobiotic theories.

    Another interesting topic is about the Gladiators being vegetarians - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOWSc8VvOl4
    And btw all the Alexandre's and Chingischan's soldiers, Roman Empire legions, Sparta's warriors etc. wouldn't be able to have enough energy without simple grains - polysacharid power.

    One more recommendation that you may like is the book Topsoil and Civilization - you can read one user review here - http://www.amazon.com/Topsoil-Civilization-Vernon-Gill-Carter/dp/0806111070
    And you can download it for free here - http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/01aglibwelcome.html
  • Sally Harte
    Thank you so much for writing this article ~ the journey led me to a similar place inside myself where I also felt I wanted to have the relationship directly and learn to hunt so I can pay as much respect to the reality as possible. Ive been eating meats and fats from farms ~ its interesting then that this feels difficult for me and im pausing about it ~ I suppose its just that final curtain ~ the one last viel of smoke and mirrors to the true reality.

    Thanks Daniel
  • ruthshivani
    Celebrating your dancing your truth, sharing your walk.
    Your video clips and sharings have touched me deeply over the months - Your resonant frequency has been shifting huge, I can feel a stronger, more yang grounded expression of the warrior emerging. Its like much of this has been a 'rite of passage' for you and in turn for us all, as we read and feel into your experiences. Thankyou for trusting the space and talking.
    I also enjoyed your clip with Gojis husband, Frankie, I think he is called, observing how they too are opening to see outside the box of habit. I am watching and feeling the new territory that is edging into my life. Thanks
  • danielvitalis
    Frankie and Goji get home tonight... its been a couple of weeks, and I miss his amazing meals!

    They are both such wonderful people and we have been sharing in the discoveries together!

    Thanks for watching the vids, and they are just going to get better!

    ~D
  • ruthshivani
    Yep! your dvd is cool (got that from angela and matt) I like your non celeb crudd type approach - Feel a dynamic shift manifesting as you step into the public space and share more of who you are and your ongoing unfolding. keep those vids coming, they ARE appreciated. blessings and joy on lst april whoaa.x
  • JayaLove
    You consistently amaze and inspire me. Your dedication and courage is unending. Your transparency is contagious. Your masculinity outrageous! By your authenticity, you help empower our tribe to shine forth and grow together, releasing judgment and finding our own validation and self acceptance. We are in this together! Thanks D!
  • danielvitalis
    Ha! Outrageous! I love it! Jaya you have been such a source of inspiration and support, Thank You!

    And thanks for all your help in California!

    Glad to be on the same team!

    ~D
  • JayaLove
    You're welcome. Outrageous rhymes with courageous. And it's true. Your masculinity is outrageous and also all the rage! Way to go!
  • sarahgrace8
    Thank you Daniel for your beautiful and true writing. Like many others here, your story mirrors mine. I am a happy Hunter, although have yet to hunt for myself. Bison and grass fed beef are main staples in my life now and I feel better than ever. My kids are soo happy after the years of rigid veganism and raw! I was young and fierce when trying to raise them that way. I too feel free, open and trusting from the journey and inner knowing of what is right for my physical body and etheric at different times. Love your work. feeling grateful,
    Sarah Grace
  • danielvitalis
    Thank God for Grace! Yes, and there is nothing noble or spiritual about starving! Glad you know it too!

    Lets make some change!
  • Ernesto Aguila
    WOW! your story has so many similarities to mine. From the first time I had seen you, something inside me told me to keep up with you. And I'm so glad I did. Now I am a better me, full of life, but I know this is just the beginning. I hope one day I could meet you my brother =)
  • danielvitalis
    Ernesto! We are both part of an emerging consciousness! Excited to walk alongside you!
  • Ali
    You are a powerful inspiration, D! Steady changing lives, with an honorable message, mission, and beautiful story ;)
    Blessed to share space and experiences with you!

    ~ A
  • danielvitalis
    I feel just as blessed Sister!

    Your scouting into the heart and soul of Gaia is beautiful!

    Now, go find that fireboard.... this one is spent ;)

    ~D
  • Etienne
    Fantastic post Daniel, as usual. I am so glad you are finally sharing this extremely personal information about your past. The past is never an easy thing to revisit and sharing with others about our past self can sometimes feel embarrassing when it really shouldn't be. What you're saying may upset the "delicate balance" of some people but this is just sooooooooooo important and necessary it has to be shared publicly because while some aren't ready for it, there are a ton of people suffering from dietary dogma that only need some sort of acknowledgement from someone they respect that it's O.K to give it up and just CHILL in order to break out of their thought patterns. You are the best bet on waking people up in the raw food community right now, by far. I appreciate what you have been doing so much...!

    I can relate to everything you have mentioned in your story. We have had an incredibly similar path. I used to get off of hearing every interview and video from David Wolfe, David Jubb and others, and feel so empowered by the information that I was receiving at the time. But the truth is I've dismissed most of what was heard, and the only true advice that has stayed with me and that I truly relate to has been yours, in its entirety. I do not trust anyone else attached to the raw food community in regards to my health, nor do I need to, because your information and integrity is enough for me. I have lost all interest in mental gymnastics because I've found what works, finally, and I can actually work towards it without any confusion.

    I am almost definitely going to come to Peru this summer if all goes well and hope to be able to learn from you (and the Shamans!) in person.

    In gratitude,

    Etienne
  • danielvitalis
    Thank You. What an honor to hear that.

    I love and cherish the work of DW and DJ and they had such a powerful influence on me over the years.

    Now I have the chance to share my truth and am so excited.

    See you in Peru! It is going to be amazing!

    And in the meantime, lets shake it up!

  • jenn
    Daniel - I absolutely missed you this weekend at david's longevity conference, it was so different from atlanta where we met - it seems to me that it took a lot of courage to post this - congratulations on your bravery and what a perfect time of year for this re-birth of sorts - your public evolution is an inspiration - much love honey & blessed be
  • danielvitalis
    Wow! Jenn!

    I miss you too!

    Sending you loads of love and support Sister!

    Blessed Be!

  • crystal dawn
    wow, thanks for sharing your experience. i was a vegetarian for 10 years, than started eating fish a few years back and poultry last year. i have been wanting to bring bison into my diet as of late, and am looking for a good clean, humanely raised source. i did find myself doing some strict raw food/green smoothies this winter when i was having some major breathing issues and could hardly walk as i could barely breath. the raw food fixed me up real fast but as soon as i was better i was back to including meat in my diet. i think raw food has a place for healing people back to health and can be very powerful. for me, i feel a lot better and have more energy when i include meat in my diet. the fresh colostrum is also pretty unbelievable and i would have never known about it w/o you sharing your knowledge... so thanks to that... plus now i know a local organic farmer to provide the goods and he started drinking the colostrum too. cheers!!!
  • danielvitalis
    Exactly! Knowing both sides of this equation gives us lots of room to move!

    Well said!

  • MidoriHealth
    Thank you so much for your truth. I have been interested in the raw vegan lifestyle for a decade and find myself and my children very sick and starving. This is exactly what I've been striving for as if I knew it must be true deep down but didn't have the proof just yet. Anthony, the Raw Model was my first hope into a better way of living, and you are another blogger and personality that I've found online in the last year or two that has really spoken to my heart and soul. I've been hurting myself with food and without certain foods for so long and doing much of the same thing you were doing where I really didn't have anything left to eat because I believed I must eat only expensive, unattainable superfoods and be a perfect raw vegan to be happy and healthy.
    I'm so grateful for your story. Please know that you've really cemented it in my mind that I need to allow us all to eat better and feel good about it. It's a journey but I hope that one day my children will turn into teens and young adults that are not obese or skinny and sick but truly happy and healthy, the way we really should and are meant to be.

    Tamikko, Chilliwack, BC, Canada
  • danielvitalis
    Yes! Mission accomplished!

    Anthony is awesome, and I am using his kiefer grains here in NH!

    Thanks for sharing your comment. I feel that I am fulfilling my life's purpose when I hear something like that!

    Bless!
  • Steigh
    Hey Daniel very well said and I am actually happy in a way to have someone with so much knowledge speak out on the many who advocate 100% Raw. As for me I gave up eating beef almost a year ago just because of me not feeling comfortable with having to chew so much until I actually felt it was some what digestable. The same thing kind of happened with eating chicken as well, so I gave up on that about six months ago also. Now the only type of meat I eat are wild Alaskan fish (Cod and Salmon). Venturing on google on different countries life expectancies and diets led me to finding the Scandinavian countries and Iceland are among the ones living the longest, and are full of this type of meat source (many I have even read take in cod oil for breakfast). Anyways I thought I would just share a little of my personal experience in me finding something that I believe has only benefited me. I wish you luck in your hunting excursions!
  • danielvitalis
    Hey Steigh!

    Thanks for that... I am eating Cod Liver Oil right now actually!

    And.... I agree about the chewing.. Ever tried these meats raw? Chicken and Beef are both like sashimi when raw. Cooking them denatures the proteins making them rubbery.

    Iceland sounds awesome... They have the best geothermal waters around!

  • chrisvangelis
    Daniel,
    I have learned so much from you over the past few months via the internet.
    Your interview with Patrick Timpone was fantastic. Your water info and Herbal info is priceless.
    I being a veggie and partial vegan for over 25 years I just can't imagine eating an animal ever again. I do think avoiding sugar in fruits and eating the super foods/fats and super salts is helpful. Looking forward to learning more from you.
    Thank you.
  • danielvitalis
    Chris,

    That you can say all that and not fully agree is awesome! Wow! Keep shining! Yo are totally appreciated!

  • Luke
    Daniel,
    Thanks for the great post. My experiences have been similar. I grew up in the Colorado Rockies, with a bowhunting father, eating lots of wild game from dad, uncles and cousins. Jerky was a favorite food. For me the raw vegan experience was one that provided many benefits, but fortunately didn't last very long. Today I still eat mostly raw, including some raw meats & fish (lots of ceviche). I'm also digging on wild plants--dandelion, marshmallow, elm & lots more. Superfoods, for sure!. Thanks amigo for your work.
  • danielvitalis
    Luke!

    I am so excited by the idea of bringing together all that I learned from RawFoods, with what I have learned about wild plants and now wild animal food! The combination is totally new.... except that it isn't! Its the oldest diet going! Thats even more exciting!

    Thanks for your comment!

    ~D
  • JWL
    Also, Daniel, thank you for your strength to speak this truth.... vegan heretics are not always treated with the compassion for life one would expect from that community.
  • danielvitalis
    Hmmm... makes you wonder...
  • Anna Grace
    Absolutely powerful beyond words........ THANK YOU for sharing your heart of gold
  • danielvitalis
    Thanks Anna!
  • Very interesting, Daniel. I was a vegetarian for ten years, a vegan for most of that time. Now I hunt deer.
  • danielvitalis
    Ahhh... You beat me to it!
  • Brittany
    Thank you for this post Daniel. I follow a lot of people in the Raw Food movement and you have always been one of my favorites. You speak so eloquently and this post is no different.

    I've never been a raw foodist, but I've always been fascinated by the idea of it and, I have to say, I've often thought that it was the way we were meant to eat. Lately my thoughts have been shifting in the same direction as yours. It's exciting to see one of my favorite "Raw Food Gurus" (haha) making that same shift.

    I was listening to an interview the other day and someone said something that really made me think. He said that cooking and eating animals is was made us human. That's when our brains got bigger and we got smarter and evolved into the humans we are today. You always hear people comparing our digestive tracts to Chimps, but take a look at our brains and ask yourself why are they so different? If you believe in evolution, why are we no longer apes? Things the make you go "hmmmmmm!"

    I hope that your post will help others struggling with their raw food aspirations to find what's right for them and I hope that all of the hardcore raw foodists can be accepting of your shift and happy for all that you have discovered for yourself. They might find themselves right where you are one day.
  • danielvitalis
    Well said Brittany!

    We have the smallest stomachs and biggest brains of all the primates!

    If evolution is a reality I think it is safe to say that Homo Sapiens Sapiens has had fire since we first appeared. In other words it is as much a part of us as the claws and teeth of a Tiger is... Interesting indeed!

    Thanks so much!

    ~D
  • Daniel -
    I really resonate with the compassion in this post. It sounds like you're softening around some big fat rules. And don't we all have them?

    I have this personal challenge around this: simply being able to hear what my body wants in the moment, whether through muscle checking or an intuitive hit. Whatever works.

    ANd that means if I muscle check "yes" on something like cooked meat, and my brain says "no thank you," then I"m operating off programming, right?

    Maybe this is a tall order, but it would be lovely to just BE in my body and TRUST it, for goodness sakes. Hee hee. If it wants a donut or chaga mushrooms freshly harvested by me, then so be it. I'm listening.

    Thanks so much for the blog love.
    Christina
  • Matt from FL
    Daniel. I can't thank you enough. For your information always seems to come to me at JUST the right time. First it was your video on the immune system, then your information on wild mushrooms, then the addition of raw eggs... Your work has greatly changed my awareness and health for the better. You really put yourself out there, and in a much needed way. A way that is only going to become more and more aware in peoples consciousness as they grow. Thanks for all you do. In health! ~Matt
    p.s. I've started adding the surthrival colostrum and raw eggs to my smoothies lately and have noticed a WORLD of difference. Especially in strength recovery after workouts.
  • I loved this Daniel! Absolutely spot on. I am suffering from the crazy sugar highs and lows associated with raw food veganism and my body can hardly stomach another cashew or walnut! I am forced now to eat very little fruit and carbs and it's terrible. I am craving balance and find the most balance when I do consume animal products. It was a terrible feeling of guilt eating animal products and still being consumed with the raw food vegan culture that you were also a part of. I am looking forward to the fall when I can get some fresh venison from my dad and this summer when I can get fresh goat's milk dairy and produce from local CSAs. I have started collecting Spring water and eating as local as possible, I am making small changes, but I could obviously do much more. Baby steps are definitely the way to go. Biking as opposed to driving, etc. You have been a great inspiration and it is awesome coming online and finding an article like this. Thank you for your honesty. Maybe I will join you in hunting sometime. Haha. Could be a good adventure!!
  • danielvitalis
    Thanks Nicole!

    It felt really great to write this actually! Have fun with the goats this year, they are so amazing!

    ~D
  • I very much appreciate you sharing your story. It is very powerful. Discovering a raw foods diet over a year ago gave me a similar boost to healing and detoxing - and cleansing. I literally felt blasted back into life. So much so that I gave myself the nickname GoRawMe! Early on though I discovered some major flaws - at least for my partner and myself - to the raw food diet, particularly with regards to the heavy consumption of nuts and sugar. I slapped myself up against the head many times in dismay that folks didn't see that raw junk food is the same as regular junk food. Recently I have discovered the joy of raw dairy. Being a New Englander like you, I am experiencing the joy of small local farmers who are raising animals and growing vegetables with a consciousness I only dreamed about. Eating raw cream and butter makes me feel like I am being nursed back to genetic health (hard to describe). I am not a meat (flesh) consumer; I don't know if this will change or not. I can not imagine finding myself at a hunter safety course - I harbor too much judgment from too many years experiences of unconscious hunters - they sit in the same category with factory farms and cruel slaughter practices for me. But with more respectful, conscious people like you, I could be convinced to open - and trust - again.

    Thank you Daniel. I look forward to hearing how your first hunt goes.

    In joy, Jensey ~)
  • danielvitalis
    Jensey!

    I totally appreciate your comments! My next blog is going to be on dairy products and my experiences with them! Stay tuned.....

    I used to wear a shirt that said "Go Vegan you cow sucking pervert".... Heheheheheee

    Bless!

    ~D
  • Oh man, you had it bad! I shutter to think what your next shirt will say! heeeeheeee

    In joy ~)
  • danielvitalis
    HAhahahahahaha! Right?!!!
  • You are right! <grin></grin>
  • Lisa
    You write well. I think the Super food over choclate diet threw everyone off.There still is many people that have lived a mineral rich vege or vegan diet and thrive.The way of the raw food Super hero has caused issue with the diet and all the tropical fruits.You can be a vege and eat locally from your farmers,and as far as Lierre ketih I still would not classify myself as the same contruct as a Lion and nor do I have hair all over my body.She makes points but is still off,and I got Weston prtices book years ago.and he is basing it on the S.A.D diet..still not good..I still think there is much more to explore and I think more living experience will tell all..I do know the raw Chocolate diet is not a good one..I follow now a path of the Egyptian Tradition and it makes sense..there is no religion involved. It is a system that promotes natural laws and when one is ready..
    I am glad there are people that will hopefully encourage others that want to eat flesh that they will do it in the best for all concerned..and encourage farmers.
    Thanks glad you found your happiness
  • danielvitalis
    Lisa,

    Thanks for writing! Your voice is totally appreciated here!

    And your point about Weston Price is noted. It would be interesting to take an indigenous hunter gatherer and put them on a vegetarian diet to see the difference....

    ~D
  • Lisa
    Thanks..I do raw breast MILK..try it..more stems cells then anything around..lol
  • danielvitalis
    Jealous!
  • Zak
    Beautiful and challenging (in a good way!) Daniel, thanks so much for sharing your story!
  • danielvitalis
    Zak, thanks for reading it! And I am glad that there is some challenge! After all its just food right? :)
  • samlemay
    wow Daniel, great post. I live in RI, and travel up to Maine to visit friends up there. I started the raw vegan diet about 2 months ago and have seen great results, and was thinking that once I reached a certain weight, I would reconsider things and see what I would like to do full time going forward. Your post gives me alot to consider and it makes sense. I was thinking last week that it would be good for me to hunt for venison. My mother is a native from the Fiji islands which I will be visiting again this summer, and would like to incorporate things I have learned there, ultimately living off of the land again. I'd like to talk to you more in the near future...
  • danielvitalis
    If you haven't read Lierre's book, I highly recommend it. I think it is perfect for you!

    Fiji has some good hunting I bet!

    ~D
  • It has taken me nearly 10 years, not to mention gestating (& breast-feeding) twins to discover this as my truth. So eloquently put ~ I believe this article will help many people find the "shift" they are searching for. <3
  • danielvitalis
    Rebecca, thank you. Wow. That means alot actually. I am writing this not just to shake things up and to get it out there (that too), but because some of us actually hurt ourselves and our children doing this. I get concerned.

    Your support means so much!

    ~D
  • JWL
    Beautiful! Thanks for sharing your his-story. We are in similar places, though we got here by very different paths.
  • danielvitalis
    Thanks Jim! We will eat venison over that fire pit in your backyard this autumn!

    ~D
  • JWL
    So mote it be! Looking forward to it.
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